1895 Austrian Berndorf 37mm shell

[Rrickoshae]

hi, this is a nice little Austrian 37mm pom pom round dated 1895 - even has its charge bag (empty) inside the case. But I can't find much about the actual gun on the internet. Was this used in a wheeled gun or one of those small trench guns? Does anyone have a photo of the gun?

thanks in anticipation

Dave

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,
I know this shell as a germain "Gruson" type (kurz model)
Regards

 

[Rrickoshae]

Hello,
I know this shell as a germain "Gruson" type (kurz model)
Regards

oh of course - brain in neutral today I'm afraid! many thanks Minenaz

 

[fert]

Hi,
could you show base markings please?
it's possible if Berndorf made, an export case.
regards

 

[Rrickoshae]

hi Fert, can you tell anything from this?

regards, dave

 

[Alpini]

I have the same opinion as Fert. Berndorf produced many cases for Krupp. And Krupp bought Gruson in 1893. This round isn't austrian.

 

[Weasel]

A very nice round Dave, thanks for the great pictures.
Best Weasel.

 

[highlandotter]

Nice shot of the fuze. Seldom see them in rounds over here.

 

[Rrickoshae]

I have the same opinion as Fert. Berndorf produced many cases for Krupp. And Krupp bought Gruson in 1893. This round isn't austrian.

many thanks Alpini - thats something else I've learnt today!

regards, dave

 

[Alpini]

The Berndorf factory was owned by Arthur Krupp who belonged to the Krupp family ;-)

The other main contractor of Krupp for artillery cases was DWM with it's "Patronenfabrik Karlsruhe" factory. Some years after 1st WW the "Patronenfabrik Karlsruhe" and the "Berndorfer Metallwarenfabrik Arthur Krupp AG" started to use a unique (Krupp?-) headstamp layout but's very hard to find any information about these headstamps.

 

[Rrickoshae]

thanks again Alpini

Dave

 

[fert]

Hello,
here austro hungarian navy acceptance mark, the crown.



another export marking by Georg Roth





regards

 

[tucco]

2 came my way a few years ago.

 

[wingsofwrath]

It's interesting to note that this particular shape of 37mm shell, typical for Gruson, can also be found with Karlsruhe produced cartridge cases in South Africa, where they were used by the Boers during the Second Boer War (pictures from this forum thread):