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210-MM German AP/HE
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Hi Joe,
I don't known the exact denomination of this shell, but you should must look on the german shell WW I of the "Kriegsmarine".
Internal fuze, two driving band and a base plate are typical for this type of shells.
I'm looking further
Yoda
I don't known the exact denomination of this shell, but you should must look on the german shell WW I of the "Kriegsmarine".
Internal fuze, two driving band and a base plate are typical for this type of shells.
I'm looking further
Yoda
that's a "21 cm Granate 91" for 21 cm mortar and 21 cm bronze mortar (no Navy use)
The correct fuze would be a "Granatznder C/82". The Fuze together with booster "Zndladung C/88" and gaine "Mundlochfutter C/88" is called "Granatzndung C/88" (I have never seen one) The shell was (like all 1888 pattern shells) filled with picric acid.
The two letter GG on the head are the abbreaviation for the factory "Geschtz-Gieerei" which was the prussian royal cannon casting factory in Spandau/Berlin
The correct fuze would be a "Granatznder C/82". The Fuze together with booster "Zndladung C/88" and gaine "Mundlochfutter C/88" is called "Granatzndung C/88" (I have never seen one) The shell was (like all 1888 pattern shells) filled with picric acid.
The two letter GG on the head are the abbreaviation for the factory "Geschtz-Gieerei" which was the prussian royal cannon casting factory in Spandau/Berlin
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do you have the drawing for it? out of curiousity.
Joe
Joe
Thank you very much ... couldn't even imagine that thing coming at me.
So why we are on the topic ... does anyone have a fuze they can show, or is this a very rare thing?
Joe
So why we are on the topic ... does anyone have a fuze they can show, or is this a very rare thing?
Joe
Hi everybody,
Wow, what a beautiful day ! Something more to learn today !
Thanks men !
Yoda
Wow, what a beautiful day ! Something more to learn today !
Thanks men !
Yoda
silent knight
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Joe /Stephan.
Very interesting - I have never seen the projectile nor fuse of the 210mm howitzer before!
Here's the corresponding case - these are much more common, although like everything getting harder to find now.
Merry Xmas!
Cheers
Drew
BTW - This is on the "for sale" list if anyone is interested......PM me
Very interesting - I have never seen the projectile nor fuse of the 210mm howitzer before!
Here's the corresponding case - these are much more common, although like everything getting harder to find now.
Merry Xmas!
Cheers
Drew
BTW - This is on the "for sale" list if anyone is interested......PM me
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Hi Stefan,
Are the above mentioned fuses for pre-WW1 21cm projectiles?
Flicking through my German WW1 fuses references, they only list the following for use with the 21cm:
lg.Bd.Z.10
Bd.Z.06 (obsolete)
kz.Bd.Z.10
Gr.Z.92
Gr.Z.96/04 (obsolete)
Gr.Z.04 &
Gr.Z 04/14
and I gather that the C/82 & C/88 would be the pattern 1882 & 1888 ones?
I'm aware that there were three patterns of the 21cm Mortar, perhaps each had a different designated fuse from the above list?
1) 21-cm Mortar dating from 1902;
2) Mortar, introduced in 1910
3) Long Mortar (latest pattern)
Perhaps you may be able to clarify here?
Thanks
Cheers
Drew
silent knight
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@Drew: your case was not used with the shell from this thread. The old 21 cm (bronze) mortars for this shell used bag charges without a case. They were in use since the 1870s and the first pattern of the shells for these mortars had lead jackets.
For the fuzes I may expressed myself a little unclear as there was only one fuze for the shown shell. I'll try it mathmatically:
"Granatznder C/82" + "Zndladung C/88" + "Mundlochfutter C/88" = "Granatzndung C/88"
"Granatznder C/82" = Standard percussion fuze of that time used on various calibers, but intended for black powder shells
"Zndladung C/88" = booster pattern 1888
"Mundlochfutter C/88" = carrier for booster pattern 1888
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"Granatzndung C/88" = name for these three parts assembled together
All pattern 1888 fuzes has been developed for picric acid (Lyddite) filled shells. In germany picric acid was introduced in 1888, so all 1888 pattern material was intended for this type of explosive. In 1902 TNT was introduced and picric acid declared obsolete as shell filling, but still used for gaines. That's one reason why the 1888 material is relatively rare. Only some old stocks were used in 1st WW. (with the introduction of TNT, also new types of 1902 and later pattern shells where introduced)
For the fuzes I may expressed myself a little unclear as there was only one fuze for the shown shell. I'll try it mathmatically:
"Granatznder C/82" + "Zndladung C/88" + "Mundlochfutter C/88" = "Granatzndung C/88"
"Granatznder C/82" = Standard percussion fuze of that time used on various calibers, but intended for black powder shells
"Zndladung C/88" = booster pattern 1888
"Mundlochfutter C/88" = carrier for booster pattern 1888
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"Granatzndung C/88" = name for these three parts assembled together
All pattern 1888 fuzes has been developed for picric acid (Lyddite) filled shells. In germany picric acid was introduced in 1888, so all 1888 pattern material was intended for this type of explosive. In 1902 TNT was introduced and picric acid declared obsolete as shell filling, but still used for gaines. That's one reason why the 1888 material is relatively rare. Only some old stocks were used in 1st WW. (with the introduction of TNT, also new types of 1902 and later pattern shells where introduced)
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