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30x111 ADEN & 30x113 DEFA

pzgr40

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Cartridges for the ADEN Gun (Brittish)

Pict. 01
30x111 ADEN HE mine shell. No type designation known, however of British design and manufacture. The projectile exists of a pressed and rolled thin walled steel body.
The fuze is marked BE 944 Mk1. It has a rotor arming ball which houses the firing cap, however the firing cap is set out of line with the firing pin. Only after firing the projectile, the centrifucal force rotates the ball in line with the centerline of the projectile and firing pin. Above the arming ball the firing pin is placed. The firing pin is prevented from moving down by two pins in a downward angeld hole which hook behind the collar on the lower part of the firing pin. These pins are held in position by a brass rolled up collar which bends open when the pins are thrown outward. After firing, inertia keeps the pins in a downward position, until inertia diminishes and the centrifugal force allows the pins to move outward, climbing upward in the holes, pushing open the brass collar; only than the firing pin is released to move downward on impact. The top of the fuze exists of a top piece which is locked in position by a sheet aluminium cap. Upon straight impact, the firing pin is hammered down by the top piece. With a glancing shot, the top piece is thrown sideways -breaking through the sheet aluminium cap, after which the angled sides on the lower side of the top piece force the firing pin down, exploding the shell. The projectile has no self destruct device.
Regretfully I do not have the correct rotor arnming ball, a smaller one than should be is placed as an example.

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30x111 ADEN HE mine shell of British manufacture. The projectile exists of a pressed and rolled thin walled steel body. The fuze is of the impact & mechanical self destruct type. Inside the body of the fuze an aluminium piston is placed which has a collar with for radial drilled holes at 90 degr with a steel ball placed in it.. A spring is placed in the piston which tries to push the it down, the self destuct spring. Above this piston the hammer pin is placed, which , upon impact pushed the firing pin into the detonator. The firing pin is placed in a hole in the piston and has a collar which is placed below the piston. Below the piston, two brass disc halves are placed, surrounded by a circular leaf spring. This prevents the collar on the firing pin as well as the piston from moving down.Upon firing, the two brass disc halves move outward, releasing the firing pin collar as well as the piston. However, at the same moment the four ball in the piston are thrown outward, clamping (centrifugal force) into the groove formed by the chamfered edges in the fuzes inner parts, fixating the piston in its position. If the projectile hits a target, the hammer pin is pushed inward, pushing the firing pin into the detonator. If no target is hit, there will be a moment that the spring above the piston pushes down the piston with a greater force than the balls clamp in the groove. The balls are pushed back into the piston which can now move down, pushing the firing pin into the detonator by means of its collar, self destructing the projectile.

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30x111 ADEN Mk.2 TP. Cartridge British design and manufacture. The projectile exists of a pressed steel body with a one piece aluminium nosecap-weightpiece.

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30x111 ADEN APHC (Armour Piercing Hard Core). No type designation known. Most probably of British design. The cartridge exists of an aluminium body in which a tungsten penetrator is crimped in place. An aluminium ballistic cap is screwed on top of the body. Any further info about penetration capability and type designation is welcome.

 

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Cartridges for the DEFA guns (French)

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30x113 TP M788 A steel projectile body with an aluminium dummy nosepiece. The shellcase is made of an magnesium alloy. The cartridge is used in the M230 lightweight gun as used on the Apache helicopter

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30x113 DEFA Target practice Mine shell. A steel projectile body with a nosepiece made of Zamac.

Pict. 07
30x113 DEFA Target practice HE-T shell. A machined steel body with a crimped in tracer element. The dummy nose piece is made of aluminium.

Pict. 08
30x113 DEFA HEI / SD. The shell corresponds to the Oerlikon MSB/K3028 and the FN M23 HEI/SD type shell. For use in DEFA type 551, 552, 553 and 554 type of guns for Air Air engagement.

The percussion fuze houses the centrifugal arming ball which houses the firing cap, however the firing cap is set out of line with the firing pin. Only after firing the projectile, the centrifucal force rotates the ball in line with the centerline of the projectile and firing pin. The ball is kept in locked position by the point of the firing pin which sticks in a small hole in the arming ball. Above the collar of this firing pin the self destruct mechanism housing is placed, above which a corrogated thin steel sheet ring is placed with a cup placed over it. Upon firing, the cup moved down , crushing the ring , so releasing the self destruct mechanism. The balls of the self destruct device are thrown outward by the centrifugal force into a groove, climbing up a little , lifting the self destruct housing and firing pin just enough to enable the arming ball to rotate. If a target is hit, the cup hammers the firing pin into the detonator. If no target is hit, a moment will come that the firingpin spring that pushes the firing pin + sd mechanism housing down will overcome the force of the balls in the groove and retract them into the SD mechanism housing, enabeling the firing pin to move into the detonator.

Length of the cartridge: 200mm
Weight of cartridge: 449 grams
Weight of projectile: 243 grams
Vo: 820 mtrs/sec
Weight propulsive powder: 50 grams
Chamber pressure: 2.850 Bar

The sensitivety of the fuze: The fuze must function when it hits a 2mm thick of aluminium plate at between 50 to 100 mtrs from the muzzle @ 90 degr.
Time to self destruct: between 5 and 19 seconds.

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30x113 DEFA, both manufactured by Manurhin, France. Both projectiles basicly have the same design, and use the same impact with self destruct base fuze. The main difference between projectile 09 and 10 is that projectile 09 can be best described as a Semi Armour Piercing High Explosive Incendiary projectile (SAPHEI), and projectile No.10 can be best described as an Armour Piercing High Explosive Incendiary (APHEI) projectile due to its thicker steel nose part construction. The SAPHEI (No.9) projectile has a larger explosive charge, although it will have a lesser penetration capebility.
The base fuze is of the impact self destruct type. The detonator is placed in a vertically placed brass rotor safety disc, out of line with the firing pin. The disc is held in position by means of two radial placed brass pins, which fall half in the disc, half in the fuze housing. The pins are held in inward position by a roundgoing leaf spring. Upon firing, the pins are thrown outward, releasing the rotor with the detonator which turns in line with the firing pin. Below the rotor safety disc, the self destruct mechanism is placed. This exists of a flanged piston with four radial holes drilled in the lower collar which hold a small ball. Around the stem of the piston, above the collar, two brass collar halves are placed, held in position by a circular leaf spring which keep the collar halves in an inward position. A pressure spring the self destruct spring- is placed between the base of the fuze and the piston, which tries to push the piston upward. After firing of the projectile, the balls in the collar are thrown outward into a groove in a brass ring placed in the lower body, the two collar halves are thrown outward, releasing the piston. However, as long as the balls are locked in the groove, the piston is fixated. If a target is hit, the piston is thrown forward due to the desceleration of the projectile, the balls forced inward. If no target is hit, a moment will occur that the force of the self destruct spring will overcome the force of the balls locked in the groove. The balls are forced back into the piston, the piston moves forward and self destruction occurs.

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30x113 DEFA APHEI / SD FN M21 (Armour Piercing High Explosive Incendiary / Self Destruct), Oerlikon designation PSBH/B 3043. For use in DEFA type 551, 552, 553 and 554 Air - Ground type of guns

Length of the cartridge: 200mm
Weight of cartridge: 472 grams
Weight of projectile: 270 grams
Vo: 765 mtrs/sec
Weight propulsive powder: 50 grams
Chamber pressure: 2.850 Bar

The base fuze houses the centrifugal arming ball which houses the firing cap, however the firing cap is set out of line with the firing pin. Only after firing the projectile, the centrifucal force rotates the ball in line with the centerline of the projectile and firing pin. The ball is kept in locked position by self destruct mechanism housing that rests on the collar of the firing pin which rests on a flat surface on top of the arming ball. Below the collar of this firing pin the self destruct mechanism housing is placed, placed upon a corrogated thin steel sheet ring. Upon firing, the sd mechanism housing moves down, crushing the ring. The balls of the self destruct device are thrown outward by the centrifugal force into a groove, moving the sd mechanism housing down just enough to enable the arming ball to rotate. If a target is hit, inertia hammers the firing pin into the detonator. If no target is hit, a moment will come that the firingpin spring that pushes the firing pin + sd mechanism housing forward will overcome the force of the balls in the groove and retract them into the SD mechanism housing, enabeling the firing pin to move into the detonator.

The sensitivety of the fuze: The fuze must function when it hits a 3mm thick mild steel plate at between 50 to 100 mtrs from the muzzle @ 90 degr.
The projectile will penetrate a 25mm thick armoured plate at between 50 to 100 mtrs from the muzzle @ 90 degr
Time to self destruct: between 5 and 25 seconds.
 

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Pict. 12
30x113 DEFA HE (High explosive). For use in ADEN Mk1 to Mk5 guns. Manufactured by FN.
The percussion fuze houses the centrifugal arming ball which houses the firing cap, however the firing cap is set out of line with the firing pin. Only after firing the projectile, the centrifucal force rotates the ball in line with the centerline of the projectile and firing pin. A horseshoe shaped red copper clamp is placed around a groove in the lower part of the ball. Only after firing the ring is forced open by the centrifugal force, releasing the ball to rotate the firing cap under the firing pin. Upon impact the firing pin is driven into the detonator. The projectile has no self destruct device.

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30x113 DEFA TP M43 target practice shell, in shape the same as Pict. 11. The projectile has been manufactured by FNB, the shellcase by MR (Manurhin France).

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30x113 DEFA HEI (High Explosive Incendiary), FN (Fabrique National) model M24, Oerlikon designation SS3036. For use in DEFA type 551, 552, 553 and 554 Air - Ground type of guns.

The percussion fuze houses the centrifugal arming ball which houses the firing cap, however the firing cap is set out of line with the firing pin. Only after firing the projectile, the centrifucal force rotates the ball in line with the centerline of the projectile and firing pin. In rest, the ball is fixated by a cup in which a thin sheet brass corrogated ring is placed with a small weight on it. This cup is placed on a flat face of the ball which stands in top in rest. In rest this locks up the ball. Upon firing the weight is hammered down by the inertia, crushing the corrogated ring. This shortens the length of the cup with the weight on it so the ball can rotate freely as it pushes the cup upward during the rotating movement of the ball. The firing pin protrudes through a little hole through the cup and the weight.

The sensitivety of the fuze: The fuze will function when it hits a piece of paper (570 gms/m2) of 200 mm dia. fixed on an aluminium plate at 50 mtrs from the muzzle.

Length of the cartridge: 200mm
Weight of cartridge: 450 grams
Weight of projectile: 244 grams
Vo: 815 mtrs/sec
Weight propulsive powder: 50 grams
Chamber pressure: 2.850 Bar

Information about the ADEN/ DEFA guns can be found in abundance on the internet.
Anybody with further info about these projectiles , please let me know.

Regards, DJH
 

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Very very nice DJH, thanks for showing them.
I'm sure you know this - the cases on the Adens should be marked "PRAC", "HE" and "AP" depending on the projectiles fitted.
Dave.
 
Hi Folks, thanks.
@ SG500, no I am not aware of that, but thanks for the info
@ Hazord, sometimes I sleep, when I have some time left.:tinysmile_sleep_t: .
I had allready collected these cartridges over the years, just patched them up before publishing.

Regards DJH
 
Hi pzgr40,
Wow another stunning line up, and thankyou for adding so much info on the various round as well. as usual a very well written and informative post.
Best regards Weasel.
 
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