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86-ish mm projectile
- Thread starter Nabob
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Hello, Gentlemen,
I have to say that the grenade is really interesting
First, what stabilization system does it use?
We can probably agree that this is a variant of the "Lenk" system, i.e. Wilhelm Lenk von Wolfsberg.
However, it is quite different from the adopted system 1863 (M.63).
-The rise of the barrel is an order of magnitude lower...
-I'm guessing because it's probably for the ass.
As for the shell solution in the bottom, there is a hint of the Armstrong design...but only a hint. It's not England
- the radius of the front ogival does not completely exclude even German material (experimental).
The question is whether it is an imitation of a country other than Austria-Hungary or whether it is development material for the M.63 system...
So, in summary, there is a bit of every system available at the time
I do not believe that the M.63 system just fell from the sky without more types and designs. Unfortunately, I have similar poor development materials for it. ......
I have to say that I searched England, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Russia, France, Croatia and nothing...
I'm mostly leaning towards cooperation between Germany and Austria-Hungary, but it's a pure guess
Akon
I have to say that the grenade is really interesting
First, what stabilization system does it use?
We can probably agree that this is a variant of the "Lenk" system, i.e. Wilhelm Lenk von Wolfsberg.
However, it is quite different from the adopted system 1863 (M.63).
-The rise of the barrel is an order of magnitude lower...
-I'm guessing because it's probably for the ass.
As for the shell solution in the bottom, there is a hint of the Armstrong design...but only a hint. It's not England
- the radius of the front ogival does not completely exclude even German material (experimental).
The question is whether it is an imitation of a country other than Austria-Hungary or whether it is development material for the M.63 system...
So, in summary, there is a bit of every system available at the time
I do not believe that the M.63 system just fell from the sky without more types and designs. Unfortunately, I have similar poor development materials for it. ......
I have to say that I searched England, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Russia, France, Croatia and nothing...
I'm mostly leaning towards cooperation between Germany and Austria-Hungary, but it's a pure guess
Akon
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@AKON: I am 100% in consent with your thoughts. I also think it's a experimental shell for a muzzle loader and may be from Austro-Hungary.
One more small trace can be the material of the "jacket". Is it lead or is it white metal (Zinc/tin alloy)? The "System Lenk" shells were coated with white metal and most other shells in this era were lead coated. White metal is a bit harder than lead.
One more small trace can be the material of the "jacket". Is it lead or is it white metal (Zinc/tin alloy)? The "System Lenk" shells were coated with white metal and most other shells in this era were lead coated. White metal is a bit harder than lead.
Mr.Alpini
Yes, the clue to the shell material is also an option to narrow down the search to fewer countries. Big deal
But seen globally, the grenade has the characteristics of other already established constructions, and these were later or occurred in other countries across Europe.
From this I estimate that the designer must have had that information in a summary and only used it for this version of the ammunition.
- they are just more or less accurate estimates.
The area of the fuze - I looked to see if there was an identical form of flange and thread. However, we don't know the cavity for the thread (if there is one) in detail yet...
Akon
Yes, the clue to the shell material is also an option to narrow down the search to fewer countries. Big deal
But seen globally, the grenade has the characteristics of other already established constructions, and these were later or occurred in other countries across Europe.
From this I estimate that the designer must have had that information in a summary and only used it for this version of the ammunition.
- they are just more or less accurate estimates.
The area of the fuze - I looked to see if there was an identical form of flange and thread. However, we don't know the cavity for the thread (if there is one) in detail yet...
Akon
Sir Joseph Whitworth Artillery Bolt Design patented 1855. And Whitworth had a cartridge case to go with it.
http://www.relicman.com/artillery/Artillery5911-Whitworth.html
Might have been copied by Armstrong and improved by adding a lead gas check at the base.
http://www.relicman.com/artillery/Artillery5911-Whitworth.html
Might have been copied by Armstrong and improved by adding a lead gas check at the base.
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