Anyone help please?

[Haydn]

Hi,
Anyone help me out with this please. It stands 30.5cm and is 7.5 across the base.

Would I be correct that this is made by Cartouche Franaise, Paris? Originally I thought the manufacturer was CFK, however, it appears that the K is a separate mark. Can anyone fill in the missing info.

PR...?
72 with a broad arrow......?
K.....?
48....?
1 in a circle......?

Would I be correct that this is possibly a 1948 shell case?
What type of shell is this?

Many thanks for any help you can give me.
Regards
Haydn.

 

[Yodamaster]

Unkown case

I'm very not a specialist in cases and in markings but I can say :

P with little r is the abreviation of "Pounder"

the broad arrow is an english marking.

That all will say that your case is british and not french !


Yoda

 

[TonyE]

18 Pdr

I was going to say it looks like a British 18 Pdr Mark III, but the primer is all wrong. I will leave it to others to identify. However, it is British and was made by Kynoch, Birmingham (K). The "CF" you thought meant "Cartoucherie Francaise" means it has been filled with a full charge rather than "CR" for a reduced charge.

As previously mentioned, the Broad Arrow is the British government ownership/acceptance mark.

Regards
TonyE

 

[Dronic69]

Perhaps a US /British 75mm HE Tank [75x350R]????

An interesting case......

Yes the "PR" does stand for "Pounder" but there appears to be no visible caliber designation. (i.e. "13PR [pic below] or in this case perhaps something closer to "17PR" ~75mm) Maybe a little brasso may help here!:xd:

Your case looks like the 4th one from the left - but your case is only 305mm not 350mm?

The case primer looks more ww1 vintage, resembles more a German ww1 77mm case - what's is the actually neck diameter??
Thanks

Cheers
Drew

 

[Dronic69]

Having seconds thoughts - the case looks a lot earlier that ww2, more ww1 vintage.

The "48" is not a date but perhaps a "LOT No" - there seems to be a letter to the left of the 48 ("T" as in "LOT", also reference my pic of the 13pdr, where the "1916" is stamped on the case.

I don't think it is an 18pdr - these didn't have necked cases from memory.

A bit of brasso and elbow grease may help out !!!!
Cheers
Drew

 

[SG500]

Looks like a 6 pounder case (The type used in WW1) to me, I don't have one to hand to check the measurements.
Dave.

 

[Andysarmoury]

Hi I have just checked mine and its a 6pdr
Regards
Andy

 

[Dronic69]

British WW1 Tank Ammo 57x307R

So the neck diameter is 57mm and the height lines up.
Cheers
Drew

 

[Haydn]

Well gents your amazing... to confirm, the neck measurements is approx 6cm, however as expected it's not exactly perfectly round so Andy's 57cm appears to be right on the money. I've tried to clean it with Brasso twice and used an old toothbrush but it hasn't improved very much. I'll keep trying.

Very many thanks for your replies

 

[Haydn]

Would I be correct that 6 pounders were used by army and navy? Looking really close I can see an anchor just below the 1 in a circle. Would that identify this as a naval round?

 

[Andysarmoury]

Hi, yes 6pdr were used both by Army and Navy i don't know what the anchor stands for but all Navel cases were stamped with the letter N.
Regards
Andy

 

[Haydn]

Thanks Andy, in fact thanks to everyone who has contributed. The amount of knowledge within this forum is incredible.

 

[Dronic69]

Andy is certainly correct - most British Naval rounds had a "N" stamped on them.

Now an 'anchor' stamp in a circle reminds me of Japanese arsenal markings - (actually there a huge variation of them indicating different arsenals) I can't recall any other countries that used that??? I'll check the Japanese arsenal stamps tonight...

Can you post another "clean" shot with the anchor?
Thanks
Cheers
Drew

 

[Haydn]

Hi Drew,
Is this any good for you?

Regards
Haydn

 

[smle2009]

Would also be very intrested in what this anchor symbol means,had a unfired 75mm AP sherman shell(now in Bovington tank museum) that had this mark on the drive band.

Tony

 

[Dronic69]

Hayden /Tony,

I have scanned the Japanese arsenal stamps for your reference - most common anchor stamp that I have come across has been the "Toyokawa" one, but use these as a guide as my Type 15 Tail bomb fuse (on another thread) has this stamp without the smaller horizontal line in the midsection. [I'll post a closeup a little later when the sun is out as the flash is of no use for closeups and shiny brassy things!!!]
I can see some similarities to the stamp on the case........but then "anchor" stamps usage I assume would not be limited to just Japan! Not sure how this applies to the 75mm AP Sherman round.

[Since the Japanese were "modernising" their arm forces from the late 19th century, and they were on the "same side" during WW1, I'm just wondering if there was some level of knowledge & equipment interchange between Britain and Japan? But then pre-WW1 arms trade between nations was quite rampant.]

An interesting shell case......
Cheers
Drew