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APC 40mm proj
- Thread starter Burney Davis
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No one?
Just bumping this thread. Has anyone got information on this projectile?
Thanks
BD
Just bumping this thread. Has anyone got information on this projectile?
Thanks
BD
Chris 42 RQ
Well-Known Member
Experimental possibly.
My money is on it being an "experimental" trial shot !
What is the "cap" made of , Steel or Plastic ?
My money is on it being an "experimental" trial shot !
What is the "cap" made of , Steel or Plastic ?
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Cap is made of steel Chris.
BD
BD
2-pdr proj?
Hi BD,
Not sure that I can really help you with this, but last year at a militaria fair I bought something that looks very similar. The stampings on it are not very clear, but what I can sse is "APC/T 40M.M.MK8" below which is "PAT LOT 2", then just above the driving band is stamped "AP.C/. 40MM MK8 2 / 5 4 P 9" (the P9 is in much larger letters). On the copper driving-band is a "broad arrow" and what I suspect are 2 inspector's marks. Overall length is about 150mm, and length of cap about 52mm. The tracer cavity goes up into the projectile by about 55mm. All paint gone. The dealer who sold it to me said it was an AP projectile for the 2-pdr Scout Car gun/anti-tank gun. I would like to know if this is correct.
Roger.
Hi BD,
Not sure that I can really help you with this, but last year at a militaria fair I bought something that looks very similar. The stampings on it are not very clear, but what I can sse is "APC/T 40M.M.MK8" below which is "PAT LOT 2", then just above the driving band is stamped "AP.C/. 40MM MK8 2 / 5 4 P 9" (the P9 is in much larger letters). On the copper driving-band is a "broad arrow" and what I suspect are 2 inspector's marks. Overall length is about 150mm, and length of cap about 52mm. The tracer cavity goes up into the projectile by about 55mm. All paint gone. The dealer who sold it to me said it was an AP projectile for the 2-pdr Scout Car gun/anti-tank gun. I would like to know if this is correct.
Roger.
Hi Roger,
Sounds like it is the same projectile, same weight and markings, but my one is a Mk7. So what case would it go in?
BD
Sounds like it is the same projectile, same weight and markings, but my one is a Mk7. So what case would it go in?
BD
Chris 42 RQ
Well-Known Member
Steel cap!
Thank you BD, pretty much as I suspected-still reckon on it being an experimental plate test or similar.
Thank you BD, pretty much as I suspected-still reckon on it being an experimental plate test or similar.
Case for proj.
Hi BD,
If my seller was correct, then it goes in the 40 x 304R case. I think that the Daimler Armoured Cars that were fitted with this gun were still being used in the 1950s, so no doubt the ammunition was still being made. No doubt the experts on this site can tell us more.
Roger.
Hi BD,
If my seller was correct, then it goes in the 40 x 304R case. I think that the Daimler Armoured Cars that were fitted with this gun were still being used in the 1950s, so no doubt the ammunition was still being made. No doubt the experts on this site can tell us more.
Roger.
I guess the problem I have is understanding why they would produce this for use in the 50's when they had a much better squeezebore Proj. Mine came with a bofors case but it wasn't crimped and I doubted an original match. Thanks for the comments.
BD
BD
Think I recall reading somewhere that the crews of these armoured vehicles did not like the inconvenience of having to remove the adaptor if they wanted to fire HE rather than the Littlejohn projectile, so possibly it was felt that an "ordinary" AP round was necessary.
I wonder whether anyone can tell us what the difference between the Mk.7 and Mk.8 projectiles were?
Also, can anyone please tell me what colour scheme and markings this 1954-vintage APC/T should have?
Thanks in advance,
Roger.
I wonder whether anyone can tell us what the difference between the Mk.7 and Mk.8 projectiles were?
Also, can anyone please tell me what colour scheme and markings this 1954-vintage APC/T should have?
Thanks in advance,
Roger.
Interesting
That's not a bad explanation Roger, hadn't thought of that, but why not use the APCR projectile - too expensive for the use it would be put to?
BD
That's not a bad explanation Roger, hadn't thought of that, but why not use the APCR projectile - too expensive for the use it would be put to?
BD
Quatermass
Well-Known Member
The 1951 Damiler armoured car armament manual lists:
Shot APCBC/T Mk 9
Shot AP/T Mk 9
Shot practice pointed/T Mk 7, 9 and 10
Shell HE HV/T Mk 2
Shot APSV Mk 1
Shot APSV Mk 2
The APCBC is described as the standard service round.
The colours of the shot from the 1951 manual are black body, red markings and blue tip.
Shot APCBC/T Mk 9
Shot AP/T Mk 9
Shot practice pointed/T Mk 7, 9 and 10
Shell HE HV/T Mk 2
Shot APSV Mk 1
Shot APSV Mk 2
The APCBC is described as the standard service round.
The colours of the shot from the 1951 manual are black body, red markings and blue tip.
Quatermass
Well-Known Member
40 m/m A.P.C. Shot. Mk 7T. Remarks: Steel body with penetrative cap.
Source: User Handbook Anti Aircraft Ammunition. 1949.
That seems to confirm its a Bofors projectile and not anything else.
Source: User Handbook Anti Aircraft Ammunition. 1949.
That seems to confirm its a Bofors projectile and not anything else.