British HS 404?

[munfrosch]

Could anyone help with this type of bullet? I can´t find that color.

 

[AE501]

Do you know if the projectile definitely belongs to that case?
Which colour do you mean? I can see yellow on the projectile, but there appears to be a very distinct cut off point between yellow and driving band and possibly towards the nose?
The case is a 20mm Hispano made at ICI Standish in 1944.
It is essential to know that the projectile belongs to the case, because if it is Polsten or American it changes things.

 

[munfrosch]

It was found in the 80´s at the channel between UK and Gemany by german EODs. So yes it belongs together i would say. The fuze is also british stamped. Color ist grey, yellow and silver.

 

[smle2009]

British case and fuze but would say a early French projectile

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,

Colors of body match with french 20mm HS404 (aircraft gun), HE-T or Practice HE-T.
(blue grey band above driving band, yellow body, unpainted or varnished head)

Regards

 

[munfrosch]

Thanks, very interesting

 

[AE501]

If they belong together, who was putting the French projectiles into the British cartridge cases in 1944c?

 

[smle2009]

They weren't in 1944....a few in the late 30's and possibly 1940,a case(excuse the pun) of miss matched projectile and case me thinks.

 

[munfrosch]

Maybe the originall case was an early one but damaged and changed, i don´t no. this eod diver wich give me that is now in an other world....

Thanks to all!

 

[orpheus72]

munfrosch,

I have a similar blue/yellow 20x110HS in a 1945 US case...
The projectile seems to be correct on this case (it's also US, and dated 1945 on the driveband).
From what i found , this M97 with a yellow/blue paint scheme should be a spotting load (but not sure that's correct)

 

[smle2009]

Maybe the originall case was an early one but damaged and changed, i don´t no. this eod diver wich give me that is now in an other world....

Thanks to all!

you have a fired case and an unfired projectile....so it's obvious that the two are not original to each other

 

[MINENAZ16]

munfrosch,

I have a similar blue/yellow 20x110HS in a 1945 US case...
The projectile seems to be correct on this case (it's also US, and dated 1945 on the driveband).
From what i found , this M97 with a yellow/blue paint scheme should be a spotting load (but not sure that's correct)

Hello,

What is this model of 20mm M97. I only know the HEI round painted Red and Yellow.

Regards

 

[orpheus72]

I can't find this particular color scheme anywhere...

Only info i found is a note about the color bands in "anti-aircraft ammunition" book from 1949.

If we assume that the blue part of this round is a 'wide' band, it could be a normal M97 HE with RDX mixture produced after may 1945...