Hungarian 7.5cm ammunition

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
Here some ww2 hungarian cases from my friend;
7.5cm 15M case, and some 8cm.
We looking some more info about this ammunition. In what cannon was used, and what kind of projectiles/fuzes was used.

And here some Hungarian 7.5cm 33M (75x129 - 7,5 cm 15/33M hvelytltny) round, from our site (last pic.)
Used in mountain gun 15 M (Skoda) 75.5 mm, - can any body confirm this data?

Regards.

 

[FHGrStg]

Hi Mariusz!

In the second picture... very nice!
The 7,5cm 33M HE projectile is very rare in this condition.


Well,
The 8cm 16/33M cartridge case:
Fired from: the 7,65cm 05/08M koda; 15/18M koda; and 18M Bhler field gun.
The manufacturer: "MF" Magyar Fmlemez Ipar, Budapest, Erzsbet Kirlyn street 57/61.
The primer: 38M primer screw, the manufacturer: FFG, the year of production: 1939, LOT number: 368.
The used projectiles:

• 8cm 33M repeszgrnt (HE shell, with 33M dual-impact fuze)
• 8cm 33/35M időzthető grnt (same with the 33M, but used with 35M time-percussion fuze)
• 8cm 34/35M pnclgrnt (APHE shell, used with 35M base fuze)
• 8cm 42M PR. grnt (HEAT shell, with 42M point-detonating fuze)
• 8cm 33M kartcs (canister)

And the 7,5cm 15M case:
Old type, later changed with the 15/33M case.
Fired from: the 7,5cm 15M koda; 15/31M koda; 15/35M koda mountain gun.
The manufacturer: "FFG" Fmr Fegyver s Gpgyr, Budapest, Sorosksri street 158.
The primer: 35M primer screw, the manufacturer the same, the year of production: 1937, LOT number: 52.
The used projectiles:

• 7,5cm 33M repeszgrnt
• 7,5cm 33/35M időzthető grnt
• 7,5cm 34/35M pnclgrnt
• 7,5cm 42M PR. grnt
• 7,5cm 33M kartcs

Best regards,
Peter

 

[FHGrStg]

And some interesting 8cm cases.

The first:


8cm M5 case, it's made at 1916, in the Weiss Manfrd factory, the place of a receipt: Csepel, at 1916. After the WW1, later filled again in the 1930 years, that means the either crown. Later in the "end" of the WW2, filled one more time at 1943, this would have been his end use. (May have been at most three times to refill.) The primer screw is the new type: 39/8M. This primer changed the old type 8M. The 39/8M primer hasn't got an igniter pipe. Anyway, the 39M primer screws used in the 3,7cm 36M cases; these was fired from the 36M antitank cannon.

The second case, 5M:


It's made at 1924. The number 77 means the year of production: because of Trianon, the convention limited many things. The LOT number 14. This case is refilled in the WW2: that means the latter crown, and the steel 38M primer screw.

And the last:


8cm 16M case. Made at 1926, in the Weiss Manfrd factory, the place of a receipt: Csepel, at 1926. The primer screw old type 15/1M, "/1" means the length of the igniter pipe. The primer's production year is 1926, the LOT number 16.

Peter

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
Many thanks for great info FHGrStg!
You help us very much.
Hungarian ammunitions it's always very interesting for us, but unfortunately
we have still short of data.

Here pic of 7.5cm 15/33M case, later one like you wrote.
There are some more differences between this two cases? (15/33M and 15M)
Length of cases are the same?

Do you have some drawing abaut nose fuze 33M pillanatgyjt ?

Regards.

 

[FHGrStg]

Hi Mariusz,

The 15M cases are WW1 constructions, after then the new 15/33M construction was bringed in, they are stayed in production for a long time. The 15M case primer screw's nest is not "bell", it was able to used for the old type, 15M primer screws with igniter pipe.
Here is a 15M case primer screw nest:


The 15/33M cases primer screw's nest is "bell", it wasn't able to used for primers with igniter pipe. The "bell" form, was prevented to the gunpowder gases blowing back. 15/33 cases only used with 35M and 38M primer screws. These cases didn't differ in their length.
And here is a 15/33M primer screw nest:


And a drawing about the 33M head fuze:

 

[jozefb2009]

And some interesting 8cm cases.

The first:


8cm M5 case, it's made at 1916, in the Weiss Manfrd factory, the place of a receipt: Csepel, at 1916. After the WW1, later filled again in the 1930 years, that means the either crown. Later in the "end" of the WW2, filled one more time at 1943, this would have been his end use. (May have been at most three times to refill.) The primer screw is the new type: 39/8M. This primer changed the old type 8M. The 39/8M primer hasn't got an igniter pipe. Anyway, the 39M primer screws used in the 3,7cm 36M cases; these was fired from the 36M antitank cannon.

Do you know the meaning of the symbols and markings at 12 o'clock?

The second case, 5M:


It's made at 1924. The number 77 means the year of production: because of Trianon, the convention limited many things. The LOT number 14. This case is refilled in the WW2: that means the latter crown, and the steel 38M primer screw.

Do you know the meaning of the letters W and upside down W?

And the last:


8cm 16M case. Made at 1926, in the Weiss Manfrd factory, the place of a receipt: Csepel, at 1926. The primer screw old type 15/1M, "/1" means the length of the igniter pipe. The primer's production year is 1926, the LOT number 16.

Peter

Do you know the meaning of the symbols and markings at 12 o'clock?

 

[APFSDST]

WM = Weiss Manfrd.
H = llami Hadigyr (State MilitaryFactory) = WM.