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stielhandgranate 24 with adaptor

rottenfuhrer

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I have this grenade in my collection, think it is a Finnish post war grenade using old stock of 24 heads.
Maybe someone have more info about this model.DSC_0196.jpg
 
I have this grenade in my collection, think it is a Finnish post war grenade using old stock of 24 heads.
Maybe someone have more info about this model.View attachment 60360



Excellent grenade you have rottenfuhrer, I for sure think it is Finnish post war grenade, but do not know the model designation/number, it's very interesting, I like it......the fuze is a Finnish SYT-55, with a special adapter that looks plastic made to fit German M24 heads.....The Germans made a similar special adapter for use with M24's to be used with any standard 10mm fuze such as ZZ-42, ZZ-35 etc. as a boobytrap or small A/P mine, or even could be used as hand grenade without stick with BZE-39, but think they were not used for grenades too often. The adapters were mostly used for boobytraps I believe.

Here is a picture of an F1 grenade I have with same SYT-55 fuze installed (you can also see this grenade in upper right corner of photo of my F1 collection)....the body is for sure a Russian WW2 F1 body, and it has been re-threaded to accept the Finnish SYT-55 fuze that has very fine threads.

I showed this "Finnish" F1 grenade before here a long time ago, and most members had never seen one, and did not know what it was, or believe it was an actual grenade used by the Finnish, maybe just a cobbled together grenade for collector market....the markings/date on my fuze is "J1/60 which I think would be 1960 date. The handle on my fuze is painted yellow which I was told means it was a practice fuze.

Maybe member Tmine35 Reino can tell us more about your grenade and refresh my memory about the F1 grenade...........

I think if the Finns used old stock German M24 heads at this late date in 1964 as yours looks to be dated, then they very well could have also used surplus captured Russian WW2 grenade bodies in 1960 also...but I may be wrong, Reino and other Finnish collectors will correct me if so......

crazy Finns.......:tinysmile_tongue_t: (just joking Reino) although they eat "elk nose jelly" in Finland :puke:
:hmmmm2: hmmmmm maybe they really are crazy


here is another Finnish grenade with SYT-55 fuze of similar type http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/europe/finland/munakranaatim4161.html
 

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Hi:
Since the first appearance from Latvia of those adaptors I have never been totally sure they are for what you think are they :) In 1938 Germany has no problem on materials and no needing of boobytrap the M24 cans or use them with the BZE39, they had millions of grenades and mines and advancing you dont need to plant mines. If the adaptors were with 1944 date it would be another thing, but with that early date... I hope you can understand my point. Nothing against Latvia, of course.
 
I think Miguel makes a good point here.
Also I noticed the three holes in the adaptor, if these were used as mines then the holes would surely let water into the unit......this wouldnt be a good thing surely??

hmmm, over to you grenade/mine experts to work this one out!!!

regards Kev
 
Mig & Butterfly, good arguments from both of you.

But these adapters are certainly authentic; I don't know why they are so rare and why, if at all, only came from Latvia.

H.Dv.281-57.jpg H.Dv.281-59.jpg

Extracts of the H.Dv.281 (February 1940), showing the 'Kasten 8107'.
The item in question, called 'Spannmutter', was provided for multiple purposes (with 3 attached wood screws), including a possible use with a M 24-can.
 
Hi:
Since the first appearance from Latvia of those adaptors I have never been totally sure they are for what you think are they :) In 1938 Germany has no problem on materials and no needing of boobytrap the M24 cans or use them with the BZE39, they had millions of grenades and mines and advancing you dont need to plant mines. If the adaptors were with 1944 date it would be another thing, but with that early date... I hope you can understand my point. Nothing against Latvia, of course.

I know you have nothing against Latvia, and I fully understand your point Miguel,...but I personally feel the Germans were very much into boobytraps and improvised mines very early before WW2, at least by 1938 as the date on my adapters shows....and also now as Peter has shown in 1940 with a 1940 dated manual..... I did not know these spannmutters were to be used with wood screws, and wondered what the 3 holes were for, I had thought maybe for venting gases or somrthing...but as Kev "Butterfly" said, it would allow for water to leak into the detonator well.....so now it makes sense they are for screws...

Vielen Dank Peter

The adapters were certainly used for M24's as Peters pictures shows......but the question is exactly how, what applications and where.....and why have they only been found in Latvia? ...(I love Latvia!...Paldies! to my many friends I have made there)
If they were to be attached to lets say a wooden floor board of a house from underneath with 3 wood screws then there would have to be a hole drilled through the wood board for the fuze to be screwed into the adapter. from above..maybe the M24 can itself was used the detonator for a larger improvised charge like a Geballte Ladung under a buildings floor for assassinations or covert killings as boobytraps... or under a bridge as an improvised vehicle mine with a DZ35 pressure fuze and M24 can to set off a larger improvised charge?

These adapters and the whole kit Peter shows with all the other fittings and adapters I would like to know more about what the intended purpose was for...

Sorry we have hijacked you thread rottenfuhrer....I hope someone will give you the answers and model nummer of your interesting Finnish grenade with SYT-55 fuze
 

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