Strange No. 117 fuze

[G1u53pp3]

What happened to this fuze no.119?

It has the appearance of a no.119 but is marked no.117.
Can anyone give me specific information? Thanks a lot

 

[MINENAZ16]

No 117 C series used a body of No 119 (with internal modifications, detonator, spring)

 

[G1u53pp3]

No 117 C series used a body of No 119 (with internal modifications, detonator, spring)

Thanks a lot. Can you show me some documents that speaks of this?

 

[MINENAZ16]

I'm sure TimG and Snufkin could help

 

[collector]

Found mentioning of this fuze here: Handbook of current British landfuzes dated 1962.
And " British fuzes, General introduction" . As said, the Master, called TimG, is the absolute specialist on the subject.

 

[G1u53pp3]

Found mentioning of this fuze here: Handbook of current British landfuzes dated 1962.
And " British fuzes, General introduction" . As said, the Master, called TimG, is the absolute specialist on the subject.

Are any documents available for download here on the forum?

 

[G1u53pp3]

What happened to this fuze no.119?

It has the appearance of a no.119 but is marked no.117.
Can anyone give me specific information? Thanks a lot

I want to underline that any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by military EOD personnel

 

[collector]

This helps a bit

 

[collector]

The other file called "Current British Land Service Fuzes" is to big to upload, but google it, and you'll find a place to download.

 

[TimG]

Alas, no diagrams, but the following may be of assistance.



WM - Wilson & Mathiesons Ltd., Leeds (but I have my doubts, Wolseley Motors would seem a better candidate)

@collector - Thank you, but merely a student.

TimG

 

[G1u53pp3]

Alas, no diagrams, but the following may be of assistance.
View attachment 193622
View attachment 193620

WM - Wilson & Mathiesons Ltd., Leeds (but I have my doubts, Wolseley Motors would seem a better candidate)

@collector - Thank you, but merely a student.

TimG

Thanks to everyone, I was able to reconstruct the history of this fuze also thanks to you. I believe it is a very rare item. A question TimG the document where it says item 579. what "ammunition bulletin" number is it? I know the item 219 is part of "ammunition bulletin no.18".

 

[collector]

And here thay are in all their glory

 

[G1u53pp3]

And here thay are in all their glory

so they're not that rare

 

[collector]

so they're not that rare

Well,.... it took me nearly 30 years to get these

 

[TimG]

@G1u53pp3

Ammunition Bulletin No. 36. It's Item 879.

TimG

 

[Depotman]

This might be useful as well, having a few references:

 

[AMMOTECHXT]

Thanks for posting this information. I had never heard of the 117C before and it was before my time.
With regard to the download that says what fuzes were used in which shell, I suspect the information is incomplete. I have found an 18 Pr HE fitted with a 119 fuze; also 117 and 119 fuzes fitted to 25 Pr HE and I know that a version of the 117 (Mk 17/7) was still in use (being fired at training) in 1989.

 

[collector]

India has even gone further looking at this website. MK20: https://ddpdoo.gov.in/product/products/product-details/fuze-117-mk-20
When I did my time in the military 89/90, indeed we still used the MK17.

 

[Bombdoc]

The Indian website is incorrect in describing the 117 Mk 20 as "Direct action and graze".. It is a Direct Action (DA) fuze that functions by the striker impacting the ground.

I think a lot of the 117 tooling went to India after ROF Blackburn closed

 

[collector]

And as soon as they left the British empire, they kept the technology, but the knowledge left too. Hence continued producing with a 117 while describing/selling a 119
Great sellingpoint though. More interesting than only DA and/or PD. just thinking out loud, not based on any facts.