Unknown grenade or Fake ?

[ron3350]

This grenade is for sale at auction but I have never seen anything like this item. Is it real or a fake ? No extra info listed.
Brass body, 21" bamboo rod, plunger top, no markings. Auctioneer says unknown origin. Info is welcome.
I still have to get used to this format. SORRY. Seems I need thumbnails to get a photo OK.

 

[ron3350]

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,
I can't find previous post but I'm quite sure we talked about it on Bocn.

 

[ron3350]

I found the old post from 1 May 2022 but still unknown grenade and possibly Russian?

 

[Millsman]

This may help

Identification request

An antique arms auction company has asked me to post this here with the hope that someone can identify what it is. The vendor said he thought it is a Vietnam war era stick grenade. Any assistance would be much appreciated please.

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[EODGUY]

Personally I think this is a totally fake grenade. If it was a rod rifle grenade that makes no sense. The diameter of the bamboo appears to be much larger than the typical military rifle bore. It is also not straight. If the diameter is small enough for a rifle bore then that makes the grenade so small it would not be very effective. It also appears to be a very over designed impact fuze. If it was a stick grenade that is another story. Although bamboo is strong, there is no need for such a long handle on a stick grenade, especially a handle as small in diameter as this is. If I collected fake items I would buy it, but since I don't.............

 

[Millsman]

Personally I think this is a totally fake grenade. If it was a rod rifle grenade that makes no sense. The diameter of the bamboo appears to be much larger than the typical military rifle bore. It is also not straight. If the diameter is small enough for a rifle bore then that makes the grenade so small it would not be very effective. It also appears to be a very over designed impact fuze. If it was a stick grenade that is another story. Although bamboo is strong, there is no need for such a long handle on a stick grenade, especially a handle as small in diameter as this is. If I collected fake items I would buy it, but since I don't.............

It's never a rifle grenade, but the stick and head size is not too disimilar to the Russian Lishin grenade or the Japanese 'stick' grenade both from the Russian / Japanese war. The British No.1 first appeared with a long handle giving an overall length of 21.75 inches.

 

[Ladislav]

Ruský to nebude, keďže je tam bambus. Dĺžka je tu 610 mm
* translated to English
It will not be Russian, as there is bamboo. The length here is 610 mm