prompted by Richards request, here are some of the Close Support Howitzer rounds held by the Tank Museum. The 3 inch is on the left, the remainder are 95mm (hollow charge with 233 spit back fuze (the most simple and dangerous fuze ever used by UK armed forces, simply a cylinder of lead azide and CE. No safety devices whatsoever, one hard knock on the breach when loading and thats it!), HE, smoke, sectioned hollow charge
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3 inch & 95mm CSH rounds
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Quatermass
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The round on the left appears to be a 3.7-Inch (94x104R) Close Support (CS) Mortar.
Amazingly quick reply Q, I take it this is different from the separately loaded 3.7in Howizter rounds as shown in Armourer39-Page32.
The reason I ask is I believe I have a case for this round, but If I didnt trust the seller, Id have said it was a Cutdown 95mm CS case.
Do you or anyone have any drawings etc of these rounds.
Rich
The reason I ask is I believe I have a case for this round, but If I didnt trust the seller, Id have said it was a Cutdown 95mm CS case.
Do you or anyone have any drawings etc of these rounds.
Rich
Quatermass
Well-Known Member
Yes Richard, different round different gun.
There's a picture of the round in the next edition of the Armourer (issue 40)
The case should be marked 3.7IN MOR.
There's a picture of the round in the next edition of the Armourer (issue 40)
The case should be marked 3.7IN MOR.
Hi RichardB,
I have a similar case to the one you show, except it is Lot 224 of 1944.
It was sold to me as a 95mm Howitzer case, then a bit later I acquired the longer 95mm case, and, like you, thought that I had been sold a "cut-down" case. However, a closer look at the short one made me think again, as the thickness of the brass at the case mouth was the same as at the mouth of the longer case. Had it been cut down, the metal would have been about 1mm thicker, from measurements of the case wall of the longer round. So it seems it was made this length. Presumably for separate loading. But for what gun? And what projectiles were fired?
Roger.
I have a similar case to the one you show, except it is Lot 224 of 1944.
It was sold to me as a 95mm Howitzer case, then a bit later I acquired the longer 95mm case, and, like you, thought that I had been sold a "cut-down" case. However, a closer look at the short one made me think again, as the thickness of the brass at the case mouth was the same as at the mouth of the longer case. Had it been cut down, the metal would have been about 1mm thicker, from measurements of the case wall of the longer round. So it seems it was made this length. Presumably for separate loading. But for what gun? And what projectiles were fired?
Roger.
Hi Roger, I bought the case from someone I trust, so I didn't actually think it was cut-down, but equally, ill admit I didn't know anything about the round. The case is the same as the 3.7inch Howitzer case, but has no crimping as its separately loaded from the projectile. I am told it uses the same projectiles as the 95x206R CS rounds.... and the primer is presumably a No.1 (pls confirm if yours has one present)
If and when I find out more, ill post....so now we're both in the hunt to find a suitable projectile...or 4 in my case
...(no pun intended!)
Good luck, Rich
If and when I find out more, ill post....so now we're both in the hunt to find a suitable projectile...or 4 in my case
...(no pun intended!)Good luck, Rich
Primer
Hi Rich,
When I bought this case, it did have a fired No.1 primer screwed in. However, I think this was an "addition" by the seller, as the case was all shiny new brass inside, and had obviously never been fired.
Would be very nice to find a projectile for it, but even if I did, I doubt I could afford it!
Regards,
Roger.
Hi Rich,
When I bought this case, it did have a fired No.1 primer screwed in. However, I think this was an "addition" by the seller, as the case was all shiny new brass inside, and had obviously never been fired.
Would be very nice to find a projectile for it, but even if I did, I doubt I could afford it!
Regards,
Roger.
So to summarise the 3.7in and 95mm short cases (ie excl 3.7in AA)....is this the full list?
94x92R WW2 3.7inch Howitzer (Fixed round)
94x104R WW2 3.7inch Close Support Mortar (Fixed Round)
94x205R WW2 3.7inch Infantry/Mountain Howitzer (Separately Loaded - No Crimps)
95x92R WW2 95mm Infantry Support (Separately loaded - No Crimps)
95x206R WW2 95mm Close Suppost Howitzer (Fixed round)
Any comments?
94x92R WW2 3.7inch Howitzer (Fixed round)
94x104R WW2 3.7inch Close Support Mortar (Fixed Round)
94x205R WW2 3.7inch Infantry/Mountain Howitzer (Separately Loaded - No Crimps)
95x92R WW2 95mm Infantry Support (Separately loaded - No Crimps)
95x206R WW2 95mm Close Suppost Howitzer (Fixed round)
Any comments?
glevum
Well-Known Member
Richard,
I think that there is also a 95x205R separate round for the 95mm infantry howitzer.
Hogg has a picture in British and American Artillery of WW2 on page 39.
It is dated 1944 and shows howitzer with detachment and one of the crew is holding a separate case that is much longer than the base diameter.
He also states that "originally it was hoped to utilise the existing designs of ammunition used with the 3.7in howitzer, this was soon found to be impracticable and a complete new range was designed" and states the case was 8.1" long
I think that there is also a 95x205R separate round for the 95mm infantry howitzer.
Hogg has a picture in British and American Artillery of WW2 on page 39.
It is dated 1944 and shows howitzer with detachment and one of the crew is holding a separate case that is much longer than the base diameter.
He also states that "originally it was hoped to utilise the existing designs of ammunition used with the 3.7in howitzer, this was soon found to be impracticable and a complete new range was designed" and states the case was 8.1" long
H
Hoeksel
Guest
Was so lucky to add the 3.7 inch mortar case to my collection! It measures 94x104R111.6 mm, my case is dated 1936 and manufactured by Royal Laboratories.