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    What are valid paint schemes for 47mm Bohler AP projectiles (non-Italian)

    I need to paint a 47mm Bohler AP projectile (not Italian) and am wondering if anyone happens to have one with original paint or has an illustration that they could post?
    I assume mine is not Italian because it has a groove in the rotating band. I believe a paint scheme for an Austrian, Romanian, Dutch, Finnish, Estonian, Latvian, Swiss or Chinese projectile would be appropriate.

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    I did see Greif's post of a Dutch wooden training round but not sure if this is valid for a service round;
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    Hi Jeff,

    By the look of the driving band I'm pretty sure your projectile is a Dutch APHE for the Kanon Van 4.7cm (47x227R). The Dutch purchased 386 from the Austrian firm Bohler around 1938. The case in the picture was produced by the Dutch firm Daalderop in 1939. The German's designated and used the captured weapon as the 4.7cm Pak187(h). The case is longer than the Italian 47/32 which was 195mm I believe.
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    What is the diameter of the fuze hole?

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    16mm give and take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greif View Post
    What is the diameter of the fuze hole?
    The diameter of the base fuze hole on mine is about 34mm.

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    Projectiles manufactured for the Dutch army have a fuze hole diameter of 34 mm. Paint scheme for Dutch projectiles : black below the driving band, RAL 6006 from the db up to the bourrelet . At the bourrelet 15 mm unpainted and the point grey RAL 7005. The number 2 at the point indicates that the projectile is fitted with a base fuze of Dutch design.
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    It would seem that can't be a hard and fast rule. The round in the picture I enclosed above was patently manufactured in Holland by a Dutch company (Daalderop) in 1939 and all the headstamp markings are consistent with Dutch case.

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    Picture of Austrian/Dutch Bohler rounds with comparative primer sizes. The smaller primer (16mm) is the Dutch manufactured case (AI/Hemberg) to the right. Austrian (ENZ) has the larger primer is to the left.
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    03%20-%204,7cm%20Bohler%20APHE%20projectiel%20EMZ%20en%20AI_.jpgIn addition to the size of Dutch primers in use in this loading, one other anomaly raises its head. The Dutch used the schokbuis No.46 base impact fuse (right pic) an example of which is attached to the to the projectile/round I originally posted.

    Given the fact that the case was quite unequivocally manufactured in Holland, also, the APHE projectile was fitted with a Dutch manufactured base fuse, I think it would be relatively safe to assume that not all Dutch loadings of this particular round had 34mm primers.

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    I think you are mixing things up. I was talking about the fuze hole of the projectile to determine whether the projectile is Dutch or not, but you are talking about primers and cases.

 

 
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