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    7,7cm F. Schr. 96 (umg) shrapnel shell

    The next project to add to the pile of half-completed projects...

    I appreciate WWI shrapnel shells are as unexciting as it gets when it comes to ordnance restoration, but I’ve fancied doing one of these for a while. Partly because it’ll make a nice comparison to my British 13 Pounder shrapnel and partly because I find the Prussian Blue paint + aluminium fuze combination quite aesthetically pleasing.

    So I shall be needing an adapter ring and a Dopp. Z. 96 fuze to complete it. I have a possible lead on the former and I shall probably buy a resin copy fuze from Milcorem as a place holder as I know the real thing is fairly scarce in good condition.

    As regards stencilling, could someone explain what the ‘St.’ and ‘III’ markings mean on the illustration at the bottom of this page:

    https://www.lovettartillery.com/Ammu...7,7cm_lFK_.htm

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    Hello,
    Your link shows a post ww1 documentation (look at the fuze ekz16/23) and ww1 markings (for you shell) are different.
    III is the "Gewichtsklasse" weight category. As far as I know not such a marking on ww1 7.7cm shrapnel shells.
    St seems to be a ww1 marking too. Maybe St stands for "Stahl" (steel). Could matches as my doc mentions steel balls instead of lead balls.
    Regards

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    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by EOD personnel .

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    The good old Wizz bang of WW1.

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    Probably less good if you were on the receiving end... On the subject of WWI weapon nicknames, I came across this article:

    http://beyondthetrenches.co.uk/hush-...es-a-wiz-bang/

    Good news about the ‘III’ symbol as that’s a stencilling job saved. I’ve since found another reference on here to ‘St.’ = Stahl = steel shrapnel balls. I’m idly curious as to why they’d bother? Did it effect the ballistics of the shell in some way?

    It’s now joined a semi relic 8,8cm KwK 43 cartridge case in a bath of diluted molasses to remove the rust.

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    Hi Mate, this is my one i done a few years ago,
    Cheers
    Andy
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    Quote Originally Posted by peregrinvs View Post
    Did it effect the ballistics of the shell in some way?
    Of course yes - the type with Lead balls is much heavier so correction factors (+100 m until -200 m) had to be used for the firing tables which were made for the lead type. The lead type was standard and used no stencils so you can just color the shrapnell and everything is fine. The steel balls were introduced during war to save lead. Both types had not to be mixed during firing.
    Last edited by Alpini; 5th May 2019 at 12:18 PM.

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    I have an adaptor ring for the 77mm shrapnel shell and DoppZ96nA for sale on QFA auctions, ending TONIGHT soon after 21:30. Depotman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andysarmoury View Post
    Hi Mate, this is my one i done a few years ago,
    Cheers
    Andy
    Very nice indeed. I’d be very happy with that end result. How did you do the ‘St.’ marking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peregrinvs View Post
    Very nice indeed. I’d be very happy with that end result. How did you do the ‘St.’ marking?
    Thanks Mate i am sure yours will be ok from what i have seen of yours in the past, I made my own stencil.
    Cheers
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    Would I be right in thinking that WWI German projectiles had an undercoat of red oxide primer when they were made? I’m currently removing the rust with citric acid and it looks like some traces have been revealed in the interior.

 

 
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