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    Police in Pennsylvania Confiscate Rifle and Ordnance Collection

    https://6abc.com/guns-ammunition-bombs-and-mortars-found-in-montco-home/5519469/?fbclid=IwAR2BOc-B5XpSJCuUCbto6_VLx9ym80OLE-SvGX0LoERJ8JUq5HpMHXA1mKw

    It looks like the US is going the path of the UK faster than I thought. What a harmless collection. Most the rifles look like WWI and WWII bolt action weapons. I am also struck by the small size of this collection. They do not know what a large collection looks like.

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    It is horrible. They even had SWORDS!!! Obviously Commonwealth of Pennsylvania does not care about their residents.
    One of their SUVs was stuffed with rifles they removed, cases and cases of ammo and even a couple of swords.

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    Let's not get overly dramatic here, the text portion of the news link is much calmer, likely posted later after more information was available to the press. It was not a raid, LE was requested to clean up by the family. There is no information regarding actual inventory of items recovered, live items, NFA items etc. so you don't know that the response is not completely reasonable.

    We had an incident here in MI a few months back where a vet died and Police were asked to clean out his firearms etc - ended up with a significant amount of live 2.36 rockets (HE and WP), 3.5 inch rockets and grenades. The rockets were some of the nicest I've ever seen, the WP warheads were in great condition and some of the 2.36 were the very rare white band versions, with the super-sensitive fuze. All were taken away and destroyed, as were the firearms and inert items, per the family's request. Troopers explained to them that not all items were problems, but the family wanted to be rid of them.

    Being indignant and angry at government over-reach is fine, but save it for when the facts are in and the situation warrants it. As a suburb of Philadelphia I'm sure that the locals have plenty of issues and place public safety first. I had contact with a PA-SP bomb tech earlier this year, turning over some live grenades from a collection not far terribly from that area. The officer was reasonable and supportive, took the three items he was given and had no problem with the 110 left behind.
    All dug or live ordnance shown in my posts is under EOD control and has been or will be dealt with accordingly by EOD personnel

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    I wonder if they are going to do a news story after they are forced to give it all back since it all looks perfectly legal to own. I think I'm gonna take up boating and put all of my gun safes on the boat.
    ALL ORDNANCE SHOWN BY ME HAS BEEN INERTED AND HAS NO LIVE FILLERS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacarnal View Post
    I wonder if they are going to do a news story after they are forced to give it all back since it all looks perfectly legal to own. I think I'm gonna take up boating and put all of my gun safes on the boat.
    Same point, you're making assumptions, nothing based on fact. Forced to give it back? The report says that they were called by the family, they identified that most of the items were "collectible in nature" and the items were catalogued before they were removed, the family cooperated.

    Rhetoric like this is a large part of the problem. The vast majority of LE is out there trying to do a very difficult job the best that they can with limited resources, and no matter how well they do it one side or the other talks shit, usually without a clue about what they are commenting on. Doesn't help.

    For me, I'm wondering what was found that had County bomb techs, ATF, FBI and military EOD all coming together and still taking all materials away. That doesn't happen with all items "perfectly legal to own". Should be an interesting report.
    All dug or live ordnance shown in my posts is under EOD control and has been or will be dealt with accordingly by EOD personnel

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    Screenshot_2019-09-07 Police Family worried after finding military weapons in elderly couple's M.png


    Screen grab from the video. "Multiplicity" degrades it significantly.
    Lots of practice stuff. Noted a ceramic Jap. mine. Probably a few other fine specimens in the lot. The sad part is where it will all end up and who will, eventually, profit from it. Most likely not the family. I really, really hope none of my collections end up like this. And hope my neighbors are a little less hostile. Bunch of h8ters. Sounds like he might have been one of those "get off my lawn" types. I grok that.
    Last edited by Slick; 7th September 2019 at 08:26 PM.
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

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    It was also mentioned that the man was a Vietnam Vet and was undergoing psychological screening. As you say, Jeff, we don't know the full story, but in today's climate, it's hard not to expect the worst.

    I'm with you Rick.
    ALL ORDNANCE SHOWN BY ME HAS BEEN INERTED AND HAS NO LIVE FILLERS.

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    My wife sent me the clipping and she was mostly upset by the "terrorized" members of the neighborhood.
    I want to know why anything was removed after the gentleman involved was removed? And I would like to see something that gave the family members the right to determine the fate of that gentleman's property.

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    We really don't know the details. There may have been a few dangerous items in the mix. The actual owner may be in a diminished mental capacity, in which case the family would have no authority to make any legal decision until he is adjudicated as competent or incompetent. If he is found incompetent, then someone (most likely a family member) would be appointed by the courts to oversee his affairs. The authorities removed and catalogued the items but have no right to destroy or dispose of any legal to own item unless given permission by a legally responsible party.
    If he is found incompetent, the custodian of his affairs could request that the authorities keep/destroy all of the items taken. This would be a breathtakingly stupid and financially unsound decision as there is a considerable value to his collection, but to someone who hates/fears guns and believes that all of them are evil, this would be their instinctive move.
    Anything is possible, but theft of the collection by the authorities is very unlikely as the vast majority are deeply honest.

    This incident should serve as a reminder to carefully review our own collections to be CERTAIN that we have not accidentally brought something home with energetic components that could be considered illegal. Having even ONE such item endangers the whole collection and erodes your assurances of everything being inert.

    Have a plan as to the preservation/disbursement of your collection with a trusted family member or friend so if something happens that renders you incapable of handling this yourself, the collection is not lost.

    As for the comments by his neighbors, they are, unfortunately, the views of a great number of people who are incapable of understanding why one would collect "infernal implements of destruction". My Aunt and Uncle visited a year ago for my sons college graduation. All of the guest bedrooms were already occupied so they got the pullout sleeper sofa in the middle of the collection room. Their view of my collection is the same as mentioned above, so I am sure little sleep was had while surrounded by tons of inert ordnance.
    My Aunt looked like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. They are very intellectual people and finally asked (very kindly) why I collected such items. I explained my interest in the development and evolution of technology, mechanical and chemical advances, and the rarity of items which were never meant to survive. They just stared at me with blank expressions.

    Sorry for going on so long, but this is something that is of concern to us all. Pat

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    I hope they don't "Red Flag" you!!!

 

 
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