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Flak 30/38 book or internet links

Jariber

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Hi all,

I´m interested to learn all about flak30/38 ammunition. Have somebody any internet link of this?

Many thanks, I wait your response

Jariber
 
Try to get these books and you will have everything you need to know about the 20x138B cartridge.
"Die Patrone 20 x 138 B, ihre Verwendung in der 2-cm-Flak 30 und 2-cm-Flak 38 sowie in anderen Waffen." Vol. 1 and Vol.2
 
You will also want the German manual "H. Dv 481/2 Merkblatt fur die Munition der 2 cm Waffen". It might be available in the download section of this site.
 
You will also want the German manual "H. Dv 481/2 Merkblatt fur die Munition der 2 cm Waffen". It might be available in the download section of this site.

I have downloaded the manual. Very nice and many thanks
 
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Try to get these books and you will have everything you need to know about the 20x138B cartridge.
"Die Patrone 20 x 138 B, ihre Verwendung in der 2-cm-Flak 30 und 2-cm-Flak 38 sowie in anderen Waffen." Vol. 1 and Vol.2

ok.- Many thanks, but is very difficult to find this in internet
 
From German Artillery of World War 2/Ian V. Hogg

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I note the text advises a case length of 137mm vs the 20X138 designation we all know and love.
 
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And on page 2 the "Drill round with wooden bullet" is not a drill round, it is a blank cartridge.
 
Hi all

I found a glossary that is very interesting too. With this document you can see all nomenclatures required for understand the proyectile´s marks:

GLOSSARY

Zt.Z. or Z.Z. Time Fuze (powder train or, in most German WWII fuzes, clockwork)
Bd.Z. Base Fuze (always impact design using internal inertia to set off fuze)
K.Z. or Kpf.Z. Nose Fuze (impact or time or both)
A.Z. Impact Fuze (nose hammer rod and, usually, inertial “graze” design)
I.Z. Inner Fuze (located at top of cavity, but acts like a base fuze on impact)
Dopp.Z. Dual Impact/Time Nose Fuze (has base-fuze-type inertial detonator added)
K.Gr. Cannon Projectile (any kind, but usually with an explosive filler)
Spgr. H.E. Projectile (either nose, base, inner, or both nose and base fuze used)
Psgr. or Pzgr. Armor-Piercing Projectile (any kind, though only explosive type has fuze)
Ub.Gr. Practice Projectile (inert or small explosive filler--obsolete shells used)
Lg. Star Shell (has time fuze and a parachute flare)
Nb. Smoke Projectile (also used for H.E. rocket fuzes--“Nebelwerfer roket”)
m.K. With AP Cap (German Navy terminology)
m.Haub or m.Hb. or Hbgr. With Windscreen (if nose fuze, with long hammer rod to windscreen tip)
Br. or Pbr. Incendiary Filler Added (usually white phosphorus--“P”--to an H.E shell)
L’Spur. Tracer (base plug w/bright, short-lived flare; may be self-destruct element)
Rot. Red Tracer
Zerl. Self-Destruct Added (has maximum range where shell detonates if no hit)
S/XX Time Fuze Maximum Value = XX Seconds
XX or C/XX Designed/Introduced in Year 1NXX (“N” = 8 or 9 (user assumed to know))
L/X,Y Length of Projectile in X.Y Calibers (German Navy shell ID terminology)
Ausf. N Model N (“N” is a letter or letter/number combination)
nA or n/A New Type (occasionally the term “aA” or “a/A” for “Old Type” used)
Fl. Centrifically Armed (uses projectile spin to free arming mechanisms)
Al. Aluminum (fuze outer case material; internal parts may be different)
Lm. Aluminum Alloy (ditto)
St. Steel (ditto)
Zn. Zinc (ditto)
Pr. Plastic (ditto)
umg. Modified Version
V. Internal Time Delay Used (black powder delay after impact sets off fuze)
eV. Variable Time Delay (two or three possible settings in a nose or base fuze)
Kl. Smaller
m. With (e.g., German Navy “m.Kz.” = “with nose fuze”)
o. Without (e.g., German Navy “o.L’Spur.” = “without tracer”)
u. And (e.g., German Navy “m.Kz.u.Bdz.” = “with nose and base fuzes”)
S.K. Naval Gun (against surface targets; ID may include barrel length “L/XX”)
F.K. Field Gun (general-purpose Army gun)
F.H. Field Howitzer (high-angle, low-velocity Army gun)
Flak. Anti-Aircraft Gun (can also be used against surface targets--German “88”)
Pak. Anti-Tank Gun (no high-angle ability)
Kwk. Tank Gun (usually Army F.K., Pak., or Flak. modified for use in a tank)
Stu.K. or Stu.G. XX Assault Gun (on tracked vehicle)--if given, “XX” is gun length
Kst.K. Coast Defense Gun (some special-made, but most are naval guns)
Geb. Mountain Gun (lightweight, low-velocity Army gun)
Zdlg. Exploder or Booster (final stage in fuze train before projectile filler)
Patr. Cartridge (usually referring to fixed/semi-fixed brass powder case)
Schr. Schrapnel Projectile (time-fuzed light-case shell filled w/steel balls)
Sprgst. or Sprgldg. H.E. Projectile Filler (mostly TNT, but picric acid and others used)
Stg. Cast Steel High-Capacity H.E. Projectile (light-case with nose fuze)
Oerl. Oerlikon (made 20mm Swedish rapid-fire guns--used by Allies, too)
Mds. Mauser and Solothurn (other German 20mm rapid-fire guns)


Other question, Somedy know the Mds rounds, technical specifications... if is a different round or what is its particularity system, see attached, one projectile with MDS marks and kpfz45 fuze


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Rgds
 
Hi M8owner & Weasel

I´m seeing the MDS projectile, and is other type totally. its case, hasn´t one value of 138mm of lenght, is more short.

Many thanks
 
Nice group of rounds Pysall, thanks for showing them, i only have the one Madsen round, you don't seem to see that many for sale.
Best Weasel.
 
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