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    Monuments men Land mine

    Watching the film Monuments men the other night and saw the scene where Matt Damian accidentally steps on a land mine but doesn't go off but is told not to step off it as it may explode. So the monuments team take his weight off the mine by placing bricks on the mine to counter his weight. When he steps off the mine it explodes but is not a full charge. Now being clued up in German mines the first question i would ask is why didn't the Germans booby trap the mines, especially when the stolen art couldn't be moved elsewhere and rather fall into allied hands, "if we can have them, nobody can" attitude killing those who attempt to retrieve them. The second bugging thing is that i have never heard of a mine fuze or type of mine where you activate it by standing on a mine where it explodes by removing your weight. In most mechanisms a mine is set off be one action downwards pressure, pull, release or chemical not downwards pressure and then release in a standard land mine. I can understand the delay where he steps off the mine and explodes about a second or two after but that is characteristic of a chemical mine fuze where the two chemicals react and flash to set of a detonator similar to a Buck ignighter as in some cases if not most a slight delay.
    Most land mines for vehicles have to have a fair bit of weight to set a mine off to break the shear wire. Most men in service back then were skinny and light not like us lardy lot today and could get away stepping on a land mine, unless he had a heavy pack or was carrying a heavy bit of kit like a PIAT etc.
    Or is this as i suspect a bit of usual Hollywood buls***t.

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    Hi @BMG50,
    as you rightly suspected, its the usual story-writers-bullsh. There is no minefuze like that in existence in any country. Many films have already used this nonexistent minefuze to dupe their viewers.
    Bellifortis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellifortis View Post
    Hi @BMG50,
    as you rightly suspected, its the usual story-writers-bullsh. There is no minefuze like that in existence in any country. Many films have already used this nonexistent minefuze to dupe their viewers.
    Bellifortis.
    IT WAS ON TV, IT HAS TO BE TRUTH!


    Ad to this an expert RSP likethe one presented here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPgKGCqFmwY

    This should be tought in every EOD course :-)

    Bob
    any live or recovered ordnance shown in my posts was dealt with by trained EOD personnel

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    It is called the "Hollywood mine", and does not exist. One can however fill five minutes of a film with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzgr40 View Post
    It is called the "Hollywood mine", and does not exist. One can however fill five minutes of a film with it.
    Not only 5 Minutes, but even a full length 90 minutes "Tatort" production. German filmmakers like to imitate Hollywood.

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    Revert back to Starshell and his recommendation "Land of mine"
    It puts it all into perspective.... a great but shocking film.

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    The Germans actually had mines that were equipped to be booby- trapped. Some of their Tellerminen (anti-tank dish mines) were fitted with fuzepockets for a zugzünder (pull-igniter) in their baseplate. This way, with an additional zugzünder fitted, the Tellerminen were provided with an "anti lifting" capacity, that would set the mine off when being lifted from it's burrow.
    With some imagination, German engineers could even "tie" two mines together for "extra effect". Wether or not this was ever done??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabob View Post
    IT WAS ON TV, IT HAS TO BE TRUTH!


    Ad to this an expert RSP likethe one presented here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPgKGCqFmwY

    This should be tought in every EOD course :-)

    Bob

    That was painful to watch. I lost a good 10 IQ points before it was over.......

    I do a yearly presentation on WW 2 to the 7th grade class of my sons former middle school. This was my 10th year presenting and I get some really good questions from the students (about 65 of them). This year, one asked about mines functioning only after you step off of it.
    I was grateful for the opportunity to dispel this Hollywood crap. While I was at it, I cleared the air about The Japanese bomb that has impacted the ground functioning only after the tail fuze propeller has stopped spinning, as seen in the 2001 Pearl Harbor movie.
    Another moment of cinematic suffering. Several of the students had seen the movie and thought this was how it worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wichitaslumlord View Post
    That was painful to watch. I lost a good 10 IQ points before it was over.......

    I do a yearly presentation on WW 2 to the 7th grade class of my sons former middle school. This was my 10th year presenting and I get some really good questions from the students (about 65 of them). This year, one asked about mines functioning only after you step off of it.
    I was grateful for the opportunity to dispel this Hollywood crap. While I was at it, I cleared the air about The Japanese bomb that has impacted the ground functioning only after the tail fuze propeller has stopped spinning, as seen in the 2001 Pearl Harbor movie.
    Another moment of cinematic suffering. Several of the students had seen the movie and thought this was how it worked.
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    I am just amazed that you are allowed to do that presentation. As much as we have so many "freedoms" here is the US, I could not imagine any school here allowing you to bring those items on campus. Which of course is a really sad state of affairs.

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    Well, I suppose the local police was informed on forehand, parents were informed on forehand that an exhibition for educational purposes took place with proven inert items.

    In the Netherlands this would be unheard of, we have created a mindset here that enshures that people react completely frantic to weapons and ammo. Snowflake parents would flock the school and insist the pincipal of the school is fired because their children have been severely mentally damaged by seeing these fascist items. The police would complain the the handgrenades (a weapon for the law, even when inert in the Neherlands) could have been stolen as the person behind the table could not kept an eye on them all at any given moment.
    Even taking a class of school children to a war museum these days will result in protest from parents that will enshure a school skips any musea relating to war subject and /or exhibits weapons or ammo.
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