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    Russian WW1 76.2mm Schrapnell Cutaway

    Hi, here is what I believe is a factory cutaway 76.2mm Russian Schrapnell Shell. It's in very good condition and the outside was chromed at some point, may be because this was a selling aid? Any info welcome.

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    Just a beauty!
    I am puzzled by the fuze. It is not the type common in our neck of the woods.
    We find mostly aluminium body with brass top cap. Rarely there are those with brass body. (pic 1)
    I found in my files a pic of a similar fuze like the one shown by doppz92, note the different shape of powder channels.

    I join the plea for more info :-)
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    I have a few more of these fuzes and I never noticed the diference, but as you will see, mine are also different. Could these be all variants, "ersatz"? in your model, there are a few parts made of brass, and the powder channels seem to be lined with brass as well, in the two fuses below, there's no such thing, and they are mainly made of aluminum with less brass parts. They all seem to be graduated up to 130, and the one on the shell as well.
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    The last one is Schneider export. Very nice!

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    Beautiful fuzes,
    would you be so kind and take a picture of the markings on the tops and bases of the fuzes?
    I was also thinking that direction when I got the brass based fuze. It seems that both my were manufactured by CT3 (STZ - Samarsky Trubochnyj Zavod) in 1916.
    Pictures from the web and other fuzes showed that the aluminium based fuzes were made before, during and after 1916.

    I have heard a rumor that fuzes with pure aluminium top cap were French import. But I have yet to find a written proof.

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    Mine goes to 140.
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    Hi,
    @M8owner: I have 4 similar fuzes and all 4 go to 130, and also I noticed mine have different marks where yours is just "21"

    @Nabob: below are close ups of the markings of the cutaway fuses with aluminium tops. They are identical on the top, except for anchor and window which also has the markings underneath, the other one with the letter "G" bears no marks underneath. Could the crossed S be standing for Schneider?
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    I have a couple more of these fuzes, both with the brass top, here are the close-ups of the markings:

    Nabob, any info is welcome.
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    Thank you,
    S, G or F are not letters in the acrylics alphabet so I assume this is imported.
    The crossed S is similar to the logo of Schneider. You can even see it on the 22 sec fuze on the attached pic.
    I do not know which fuze does alpini see as last (I never get the right order when uploading pics :-)).
    CT3 or STZ is fuze factory in Samara
    ПTZ is fuze factory in Petrograd - St Petersburg.
    34K - Z4K - Kazan factory

    The 22 sec fuze was also produced in Japan (Osaka Arsenal) and USA (R&CMCo, T-P).

    Other markings on the top can be П (P), Г (G), or ПГ (PG) - saying that the fuze is to be used with the field gun, mountain gun or both.

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    Thank you very much Nabob. Do you now the meaning of the letters identifying the factory? S stands for Samara but what mean TZ? and is K in Z4K standing for Kazan, but then what mean Z4? Thanks. Frank

 

 
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