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    Hungarian AZ 58 A/T grenade

    just bought the prac version - am I right in thinking that the prac is designated the AZ 58-K100, or is this the full title of the live weapon of which this is prac version? also, was this (the bare metal finish prac w/drogue) actually for throwing practice - as I've seen a wooden version exists for this purpose, or was it a 'drill' model for classroom use?

    the site from which I bought it labels item ...AZ 58 'House Killer' - was AZ 58 actually known as this (informally at least) as I've never seen this sobriquet used anywhere else in relation to AZ 58 (it being an A/T gren, not for perhaps destroying buildings or even those inside them)?

    re diagram below, does the deployment of drogue in the air actually arm the grenade, or is it armed with the movement of the creep spring after pin is removed? diagram may be of US XM-78 but looks identical to AZ 58 so assume they work in same way - not sure who copied whose design??

    Last edited by batonroundcollector; 28th April 2020 at 03:59 PM.
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    The grenade is impact activated and is ready upon flick off of the handle, the chute doesn’t arm it. Simple impact action.
    they have an “Anti Material” nature, although primarily designed as AT.

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    Also used by the former DDR
    All Items of Live Ordnance posted by me have been disposed of by EOD.

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    thanks for replies guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nismosonic View Post
    they have an “Anti Material” nature...
    when I think of 'anti material', I think of charges/ammo used to dispose of UXO etc - is this what you mean this gren was used for (in addition to A/T role), or do you mean against buildings? unsure if an A/T gren would have penetrating power for use against bunkers/pillboxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Also used by the former DDR
    think I've seen them in a DDR manual... were those the DDR used the same Hungarian-manufactured ones as used by Hungary, or did the DDR manufacture them too, with unique markings etc? if they used same live grens, assume they used same prac ones too?

    saw the wooden training grens listed by seller on ebay.de recently but can't find them again now (don't think title of listing used actual designation or 'grenade' in either English or German...) - has anyone seen them/have link??
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    GDR had imported these grenades from Hungary. As for the anti-material role: Some documents from the GDR state that the granade may also be used against field fortifications.

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    thanks, so I guess effective only against wooden structures rather than concrete? was anti-material role ascribed by DDR only, or were the originally indicated for that in addition to A/T? also, how were these carried? was there a special bag etc?
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