Welcome to the Inert Ordnance Collectors.
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 22
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    475
    Thanks
    200
    Thanked 178 Times in 108 Posts

    Colour scheme of French Model 1937 APCBC Projectile

    Hi,

    I've just taken delivery of a resin repro French M37 anti-tank gun APCBC projectile to fill an empty case. Before I get the paints out, could someone confirm the example shown in this thread is painted correctly?

    http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/thread...rench-47mm-Afv

    i.e. It has a bare model body and a yellow (Jaune Artillerie?) ballistic cap?

    Thanks,
    Mark

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    1,134
    Images
    6
    Thanks
    320
    Thanked 766 Times in 352 Posts
    I believe the yellow nose is incorrect as that would designate it as a tracer equipped projectile, and the evidence supports that the only tracer rounds were made under German occupation.

    http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/thread...t=missing+caps
    Last edited by M8owner; 4th May 2020 at 02:53 PM.

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to M8owner For This Useful Post:

    peregrinvs (4th May 2020)

  4. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    475
    Thanks
    200
    Thanked 178 Times in 108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by M8owner View Post
    I believe the yellow nose is incorrect as that would designate it as a tracer equipped projectile, and the evidence supports that the only tracer rounds were made under German occupation.

    http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/thread...t=missing+caps
    Thanks. Having browsed various threads such as the above, another possibility seems to be a black body with bare metal penetrating and ballistic caps. I wasn’t sure if that was a German reissue colour scheme though.

  5. #4
    Premium Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Meon Valley, UK
    Posts
    589
    Images
    83
    Thanks
    444
    Thanked 229 Times in 102 Posts
    Annoyingly I dont have positive confirmation in any documents I have.

    From what I can tell, the french seemed to paint high explosive yellow (jaune) and training black (noir), but I can't confirm the AP
    At a guess, it would make sense the Mg based ballistic cap would have some form of proection from oxidation, but yellow (HE) arguably not.

    French37mm1940-8.jpgFrench37mm1940-9.jpg

    In German usage the colour appears to be black for the AP (Pzgr. Patr. 176(f)) which would match alot of their AP colour schemes but of course that doesnt mean french was black.
    053_173Abc.jpg

    The final picture shows the 47mm Mle1937 gun with rounds, some with caps some without. The only slight clue might be the middle round leant agains the wheel, showing a cap of a differnet colour to the body. but its far from clear.
    47mm mle1937.jpg


  6. The Following User Says Thank You to RichardB For This Useful Post:

    doppz92 (5th May 2020)

  7. #5
    Ordnance Approved
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    FRANCE
    Posts
    2,564
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks
    2,622
    Thanked 2,195 Times in 971 Posts
    Hello from France,

    Officially :
    -magnesium windshield (screwed before firing) was unpainted or painted light brown
    -shell body : unpainted or painted black or dark blue.

    Regards
    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by EOD personnel .

  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MINENAZ16 For This Useful Post:

    doppz92 (5th May 2020), peregrinvs (5th May 2020)

  9. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    475
    Thanks
    200
    Thanked 178 Times in 108 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by MINENAZ16 View Post
    Hello from France,

    Officially :
    -magnesium windshield (screwed before firing) was unpainted or painted light brown
    -shell body : unpainted or painted black or dark blue.
    Thanks for that. Is the penetrating cap under the windshield also unpainted? Most of the images I can find seem to suggest it was.

  10. #7
    Ordnance Approved
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    FRANCE
    Posts
    2,564
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks
    2,622
    Thanked 2,195 Times in 971 Posts
    No information about the color of penetrating cap
    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by EOD personnel .

  11. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    1,134
    Images
    6
    Thanks
    320
    Thanked 766 Times in 352 Posts
    I believe this picture is on this site some place else. I have least four references or photos of this three color appearance. The body is always black or dark blue (looks almost green now due to age). The piercing cap is shiny or with brown lacquer. The nose has no paint. The German manual shows the nose and piercing cap as unpainted. This pile shows the bodies to be black, the caps polished steel and nose unpainted.
    Attached Images Attached Images

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to M8owner For This Useful Post:

    doppz92 (5th May 2020), peregrinvs (5th May 2020)

  13. #9
    Ordnance Approved
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    FRANCE
    Posts
    2,564
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks
    2,622
    Thanked 2,195 Times in 971 Posts
    we can see three different colors (windshield, penet. cap and body) on the black & white picture
    So I assume brown windshield, unpainted penetrating cap, black or blue body.

    german 2 - Copie.jpggerman 2.jpggerman.jpg
    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by EOD personnel .

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MINENAZ16 For This Useful Post:

    doppz92 (5th May 2020), peregrinvs (5th May 2020)

  15. #10
    Premium Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Meon Valley, UK
    Posts
    589
    Images
    83
    Thanks
    444
    Thanked 229 Times in 102 Posts
    Minenaz16, thank you, but do you have a reference or document for the brown, bare ballistic cap?


 

 
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Back to top