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    Dutch ? 7.5cm Vickers M35 HE Round Colours /markings

    Had this a while ,can anyone tell me what colours and markings were on these ,the case has been reused and has a Waff eagle stamped on it
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    Hello,
    Dutch shells were painted green (see doc)
    German made were painted yellow with black markings (found by eod with original yellow paint and german markings). Maybe German used also green paint.
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    The shell you are showing is the HE shell nr. 4, which was made for the Germans.
    Shells supplied to the German Army were green, those supplied to the German Navy were yellow.
    Navy shells had a 10 mm black band just below the fuze and markings in black. Practice shells for the German Navy were red.
    I only have pages from the Navy handbook M Dv 170, 74.
    The fuze you have is the mechanical time fuze nr. 5 (Tavaro).
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    German seem to have also made a FES version (on the right)
    If I understand, the shell on the left is the Dutch version (different driving band and no crimp groove)

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    The shell on the left is also made for the German army, in fact it is an adapted Dutch shell. In 1935/1936 a first badge of cartridges was supplied by Vickers to the Dutch. These Vickers rounds were fitted with a night tracer. It turned out that the Dutch had no need for a tracer, so when they designed their own round the tracer element was replaced by a hollow tube (closed at the end). This was done to obtain the same ballistics.
    The Germans ommited this tracer rudiment, at the same time increasing the thicknes of the base of the shell by some mm's. So the first rounds that were made for the German army had the Vickers/Dutch driving bands and lacked the tracer rudiment. After that the brass driving band was modified by getting a groove in the middle and the body got a crimp groove. In the end the shells obtained a FES or FEW driving band.
    Pictured below is the HE shell nr. 2 which was also used by the Germans as captured stock.
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    Thanks for these informations and pictures
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    Thanks for the replies ,I think it will go Kreigsmarine yellow.
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    Finished in kreigsmarine yellow ,the Vickers 7.5cm M35 HE
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    Very nice job, but it isn’t 5pl. It must be Spl (abbreviation of: Sprengladung = explosive charge).

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