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84mm Carl Gustav Sectioned HEAT

stanleyrf89

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Hi, I’ve just finished restoring this round that I recently acquired, and sharing photos. Experimental British 84mm HEAT round, with lovely sectioning of the fuze assembly, and the separate part of the stand-off probe that houses it.
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Can you post a closeup of the main body of the projectile, from the front shoulder down to the tracer?
 
great pics


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later grenades get 5 crystal system to work against fences/slat armor

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https://youtu.be/nuqEBYgTy2A?t=832

here at 13:52 and further you can see that RPG-7 grenade can't work vs fence etc
 
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here at 13:52 and further you can see that RPG-7 grenade can't work vs fence etc

Well, it can work, its just depends if, in the case of the PG-7 projectile, its VP-7GCh nose piezoelectric-based sensor strikes a fence wire, or in the case of other statistical armours, a bar, slat, or central node. If it strikes one of those, then it goes boom and your are screwed!

If it doesn't strike one, then what happens next depends on the spacing between the wire/bar/slat/nodes, the diameter of the projectile and its fuzing system.

If smaller than the spacing, then the projectile will pass straight through, impacting whatever is behind it eventually. If the nose section (windshield, not the sensor on the tip) strikes a wire/bar/slat/node, then it may rip into the nose and if strong enough (bar/slat/node), rip into the body of the warhead.

If the fuzing system uses two-layer nose that forms the two conductive pathways of the electrical firing circuit, common on many many Russian RPG-7 and other RPG weapon projectiles (*), then it will short the firing circuit, dudding the projectile. This dud then slams into the base armour, if there is some, the impact disrupting the warhead and likely causing the explosive fill to deflagrate. If the armour is stronger, bar/slat/node, then it will likely disrupt and deflagrate the warhead at this point.

(*) Most of the rocket-boosted projectiles (**) of the rounds fired by the Russian RPG-7 family of launchers use this piezoelectric nose sensor and dual layer nose method of fuzing. Only the rear charge of the PG-7R does not, and its front charge uses a wide diameter nose sensor, so increasing the chance it will strike a wire/bar/slat/node. Almost all of the rockets fired by the other RPG-designated weapons (16, 18, 22, 26), also use this method. Only the RPG-27's PG-27 and the RPG-29's PG-29 differ, both using the same warhead system as the RPG-7's PG-7R, just different propulsion systems.

(**) The RPG-7 and RPG-16 are recoilless guns firing rocket-boosted projectiles. They are not a rocket launchers, this as the system they use to project the projectile from the bore is not a rocket, but the same as a recoilless gun (rifle). Only after the projectile has travelled a safe distance (time) from the operator does the rocket motor ignite, boosting the projectile's velocity. Some rounds, such as the OG-7V (OG-7 projectile), have no rocket motor at all, though it does stop people calling its expelling/propulsion charge a rocket motor.
 
yes, but how doest 5 crystal verison of CG works ? when pike hit the armour it's ok, but if it hit between bars with main body ?
 
yes, but how doest 5 crystal verison of CG works ? when pike hit the armour it's ok, but if it hit between bars with main body ?


When the external nose area of the projectile (not the nose probe) hits a bar/node/slat/wire, the impact pushes the outer area against the inner. This crushes (compresses) the piezoelectric crystals. The deformation of the crystals produces a voltage differential, this fed to the lower positioned fuze. If the voltage is high enough, the fuze will operate i.e. the electrically-fired detonator in the rotor is initiated.

Statistical armour is generally set up for the PG-7 family. A spacing of less than 71 mm (70.6 mm) is required to disrupt the nose and warhead of the PG-7M projectile and not allow it to fly though unimpeded. As such the nose or body of the approximately 84 mm in diameter Spårljuspansarspränggranat (slpsgr/m 66) projectile is going to strike a bar/node/slat/wire whatever happens. Due to this, it is highly likely that this type of projectile and fuzing combination will operate correctly when fired against these types of armour.

Saying that, the fabric net type of statistical armour, which I forgot, may slow it down slowly enough that its does not go off directly on impact with it, but it is still likely to go off when it impacts the base armour.

It should also be noted that most of the 9N110 series of warheads used with the 9M14 Malyutka (SS-3 Sagger) family of missiles uses a similar piezoelectric crystal set up: that part of the fuzing system designated as 9E212. As such this type of armour will likely give no protective capability against this missile family.

The same can be said for all the other Russian ATGM, as they either use a wide diameter piezo crystal set-up, or a crush switch to trigger the base fuze. The detonation of the ATGM's warhead system against this type of armour more than likely improves its penetration. This as the stand-off is more optimal, the stand-off normally limited to less than optimal due to physical restraints such as length.
 
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