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    I think it is the transitional phase in the early 1890's which pre-dates the change to PATR-FABR KARLSRUHE and later to PATRONENFABRIK KARLSRUHE by the late 1890's.
    If I can find the story amongst all my rubbish I will post it.

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    In Dutch archives I have found a document about navy testing with the gun in 1873 so there should have been cases as well.
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    Mellichamp Vol 1 book states German 37x94R cases with no Headstamps (1879-80?)
    LORENZ * KARLSRUHE *. (1881-83)
    LORENZ (date) KARLSRUHE (year) (1883-1888) Note the 1882 headstamp shown pre-dates this.

    Dutch Navy adopted the 37mm early 1880's and early ammo was from Hotchkiss.
    I just quote the book facts given. It seems like 1882 may be the earliest German dated rounds?
    Last edited by ron3350; 28th October 2020 at 02:40 AM. Reason: Changed date to 1888.Typo

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    The information in the literature sometimes differs - as one can clearly see........
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    The letter A indicates training so this case was i German service with three reloading punches.
    An early marked Maxim 1pr case and I have never heard of one could be marked Maxim like
    rifle cartridges they supplied or with the letter M like this early 1pr.
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    This is the earliest one i have seen. (Not in my collection unfortunately but in J roks collection.20200723_073317.jpg

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    Hi, can you inform me on the meaning of the letter "A" and why it indicates training? I assumed Ausfuhrung (barrel cleaning).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoeksel View Post
    Hi, can you inform me on the meaning of the letter "A" and why it indicates training?
    The "A" means "Ausschuss" which means rejected. There are also shells stamped with the large "A". So stamped cases were used for blanks (often seen on shortened 77 mm cases). "A" stamped shells were used as practise shells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoeksel View Post
    I assumed Ausfuhrung (barrel cleaning).
    I guess you mean the word "Aushilfs-" abbreviation="Aush." as seen on 88mm cases. The complete word would be Aushilfskartuschh├╝lse. These were used to fire out shells which stuck inside the barrel.

    The word "Ausf├╝hrung" would be the german equivalent to "mark".

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