Seven rounds to be removed from the Section 58 list

[glevum]

It has just been announced that 7 rounds will be removed from the Section 58 list of obsolete calibres. Parliment has not passed the proposed change yet.

The calibres are:
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[/FONT]– .320 British (also known as .320 Revolver CF, short or long)
– .41 Colt (short or long)
– .44 Smith and Wesson Russian
– .442 Revolver (also known as .44 Webley)
– 9.4mm Dutch Revolver
– 10.6mm German Ordnance Revolver
– 11mm French Ordnance Revolver M1873 (Army)

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-closes-antique-firearms-loopholes-to-protect-public

https://www.the-gazette.co.uk/news/...4.government-plan-ban-thousands-antique-guns/

 

[glevum]

Further information

The following are to be added to the list

.26 BSA (.26 Rimless Belted Nitro Express)
.33 BSA (.33 Rimless Belted Nitro Express)
.360 No 2 Nitro Express
.40 BSA (.40 Rimless Belted Nitro Express)
.400/360 2 ¾ in Nitro Express
.425 Westley Richards Magnum
.475 x 3 ¼ in Nitro Express
.475 No 2 Jeffery Nitro Express
.475 No 2 Nitro Express
.476 Nitro Express (.476 Westley Richards)
.50-90 2 ½ inch
.50-110 2.4 inch
.577 – 3 in (Black Powder & Nitro Express)
.577 – 3 ¼ in (Black Powder & Nitro Express)
6.5 x 53mm R Mannlicher (Dutch/Romanian)
8 x 56mm Mannlicher Schoenauer
8 x 58 mm R Krag
8 mm Murata
9 x 56mm Mannlicher Schoenauer
9 x 57mm R Mauser
9 x 57mm Rimless Mauser
9.5 x 57mm Mannlicher Schoenauer
8mm Roth Steyr

https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/933597/Govt_Response_09-11-2020.pdf

 

[sksvlad]

Are these the calibres which are legally allowed to be collected in original condition in UK?

 

[reccetrooper]

Are these the calibres which are legally allowed to be collected in original condition in UK?

There is a list of calibers of antique cartridge arms which can be held as curiosities or ornaments, without any licence.
An antique is defined as pre-September 1939.
Curiosity or ornament means you cannot shoot it. If you shoot it, it has to be licensed.

The calibers being removed from the list can currently be held without licence, for example, a pre-1939 revolver in .44 S&W Russian can be owned without licence, but not shot. After the changes are passed through Parliament the same revolver will be subject to licensing.

The calibers that are being added are currently subject to licensing, but after the changes are passed through Parliament they will be able to be owned without licence provided they are held as a curiosity or ornament and not shot.

The Obsolete Caliber list applies only to the guns, not to the ammunition. The ammunition is still subject to licensing

 

[reccetrooper]

This is the current list.

https://assets.publishing.service.g..._of_obsolete_cartridges__Condoc_annex_2_.xlsx

 

[Falcon]

There have been cases in recent years of revolvers in those calibres being used in crime. Corrupt firearms dealers supplying custom made modern ammunition to criminals along with the pistols has not helped the situation. A few otherwise legal firearms dealers have been sent to prison over it. I thought that it was only a matter of time until those calibres were removed from the obsolete list.

Legitimate collectors may still be able to hold the pistols on a Section 7 firearms certificate if, from what I understand, they were made before 1919. They can be held at home on this license if not intended to be fired. As far as I know, if licensed and stored at a secure site such as Bisley, they can be fired under tightly controlled conditions.

 

[Slick]

Food for thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

 

[Falcon]

Reading a little more about this, apparently these guns have been linked to six separate murders in the past 13 years. I have seen a few typically sensationalist articles on this from the media over the past few years. This now reads like another overreaction by the authorities.

Note how the article also says:
But the department’s impact assessment concluded there was no “robust evidence” to indicate that the measures would cut crimes involving old guns.

Of course the criminals will ignore the laws anyway, while it is the collectors who lose out.

Meanwhile, how many murders have been done with common kitchen knives?

I was once told by a police officer who had been in the job over 20 years that screwdrivers were the most commonly used weapon he had seen.

 

[pzgr40]

Well, in that case I cincerely hope no Dutch lawmaker is reading this post, as per next week screwdrivers will be forbidden, exept for those with a " screwdriver licence".
In the Netherlands we have the strange tendency to punish the majority of law abiding citizens with stricter laws, assuming it will stop the small group of criminals from ignoring the law.