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    Quote Originally Posted by millsbomber View Post
    This is my example used as demolition times from Werewolf pack....Dave



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    The green paint for this fuze (usually red) is typical for this pack ?
    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by EOD personnel .

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    This example is as found so who ever made this to demolitions timer painted it green

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    The Z. 17 Am, with its very long running clockwork, will not normally have been used by the airforce. It's a pure, long delay, demolition fuze. For this use green is the better colour. Red shows up too easily.

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    and readly fits many bomb caseings for demolitions

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    I've been collecting fuses for about 40 years, but I've never seen a 17 Bm in green. Harry
    Search always English and US Bomb Fuzes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusse2004 View Post
    I've been collecting fuses for about 40 years, but I've never seen a 17 Bm in green. Harry
    Hallo Harry,
    I also have never seen this fuze in green colour. But, it's a Z.17 Am, very long delay. Yesterday I read in a 1944 Luftwaffe Manual. There it says, that the 17 Bm was originally ment for "Special Munitions", but, by that time (1944) it is mainly used for demolition purposes. I have seen many fotos, over the years, taken in the endphase of WW2, where places (roadcrossings, bridges, mainroads) had been prepared for demolition with a "grave" dug up and a "Luftwaffe"-bomb laid in horizontally. For this purpose both the 17 Bm for very hasty retreat and the 17 Am for slower retreat, are ideally suited. The bomb can ly in its grave all ready fuzed with a rope attached, which only needs to be pulled to start the delay. The manual warns, that if this fuze is used in bombs 2 additional booster-pellets have to be inserted first, because these fuzes are shorter than normal electric bomb fuzes.
    Greetings,
    Bellifortis.

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    I was only interested in the green color! I knew about the intended use.
    Search always English and US Bomb Fuzes!

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    After reading this thread, and seeing the pictures, I am a bit confused. What I understand is that there were two different fuzes, a Langzeitzünder (17)Am for aerial bombs, and a Langzeitzünder (17)Bm for demolition. Correct?

    If so, are all the red fuzes shown above the Langzeitzünder (17)Am, and only the green one shown by millsbomber is a Langzeitzünder (17)Bm? Or are they both identical from the outside?

    Also, did the Langzeitzünder (17)Bm still use the same set-up with the gaine like the Langzeitzünder (17)Am aerial fuze used, even though it was being used for dempolition?

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    Hi @WWIIbuff,
    originally these fuzes were designed for "Special" Air force munitions, like the V1, where it was used as a safety-fuze to insure detonation even if all other electrical fuzes failed. But already in 1944 it was used mainly for demolition purposes. There were a lot of german airial bombs around that were not needed any more. The difference between (17) Am and Bm is only in time-delay of the clockwork. Am was 2-72 hours and Bm up to 120 minutes. I hope that this clarifies the differnces.
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    Thanks Bellifortis! So the exterior appearance of the two would be the same, only the internal clock settings would be different. Was the gain still attached to the bottom when used for demolitions purposes?

 

 
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