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    Fuses

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    Here we have two German alloy fuses.The one on the left is from a 151/20mm and is marked AZ 1528A , the other is from a 20mm FF, which has no markings at all, but blue paint matching the blue of the incendiary round. These fuses are hollow and have closed tops and seem to be made of one piece of metal, unlike other fuses which have a brass insert at the top and something inside.How did these fuses work? Could they be dummies for practice rounds? Or are they replicas?
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    Roger

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    These are not dummy fuzes , no.
    Pretty sure they aren’t replicas either.

    They are for 20mm Incendiary (usually with Tracer) rounds. Basically the Sprengkapsel sits in the top of the fuze & once it breaks on impact it ignites the rest that is inside of the projectile. Added a drawing of this fuze & also an example of what it is used on. As you can see , one of the fuzes still has some blue paint on it. Which makes sense because these rounds are blue too. Mostly with a red band just above the driving band to indicate that there is a tracer.

    Theres several other fuze variants of this one. One more common than the other.

    I hope this answers your question.

    Bever

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    Thanks very much for your reply.
    I am aware of how the Sprengkapsel works as I have many projectiles fitted with them. The point is, however , that these 2 don't have one - see pictures. They don't have any mechanism inside either. What I really would like to know is how they work, if at all!! Can you help with that?

    two shells.jpg The fuse with the writing on comes from the round on the right in this picture. I am also unable to identify the round (dated 1941 , which seems a little early for the 151/20?) - could it be phosphorus as I have been told?
    Your help is very much appreciated
    Roger

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    Hi Roger,
    also I can not identify your fuze. even where the left one is stamped "1528A". All 1528 series fuzes are crimped (geboerdelt) in around the top to hold the cap. Both of your fuzes have no crimp on top. Your clear foto of the bottoms lets one discern the rests of some cylindrical steelplate inserts that has been stemmed off where it enters the fuzebody. We don't know what was inside this steelplate-housing. I could not find any fuze, in this size, with such a steelhousing in the bottom.
    Regards,
    Bellifortis.

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    Well , the most unusual thing about these , or atleast the AZ 1528A you show , is that it has the form of the AZ 1528 . The 1528 has a closed top. The 1528A does not. Like Bellifortis said they are all crimped + the bottom opening is more narrow.

    May I ask you what year your fuze is from? Also , the one without markings could very well be a dummy. I’m not sure though. Pretty hard to see to be honest.

    added some images so u can see what I mean.

    also , the Luftwaffe stamp on your fuze. what number is it? 170 or 70? Just wondering


    Please note : by replacement Sprengkapsel I mean an imitation.

    last image is not mine , shows the top view of what a closed 1528A should look like.

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    Thanks Bever - I'm glad it's not just me that's puzzled by it!

    Written around the fuse is: AZ 1528A eea 88 1943, and it's waffenamt is 70. I've just noticed that the interior of the " dummy" is much deeper than the AZ1528A???
    Both of these fuses come from incendiaries.


    On what sort of a projectile would a AZ1528 have been used?

    Roger

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    If the fuze is from 43 it could actually make sense as the early production AZ 1528A fuzes might have still had the form of the regular AZ 1528.

    I have no documents that support this theory sadly. But this type of thing also happened with several other fuze types.

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    Thanks for your help - much appreciated

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    I forgot to mention the use for these ,

    Generally if you look at documents the AZ 1528 is used in 2cm Brandgranate o. Zerl.

    The AZ 1528A on 2cm Brandgranate o. Zerl. & 2cm Brandgranate m. Zerl.

    But really , I don’t think it would be a mistake & possibly there were regular 1528’s used on the Brandgranate m. Zerl. too.

    The 1528 was also used with an adapter for the 5cm Minengranate for SG 500 (Jaegerfaust)

    so , for 2cm’s , basically any of these two go on the blue ones with a red band above the driving band or the blue ones with that red band & a green band below the fuze near the top.

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    Want to add that these fuzes are a pretty much dangerous construction, especially in ground dug condition when the thin protective plate on top is corroded. The fuzes itself have no security mechanism inside. One cartridge fallen on a hard surface or hitting the fuze with a spade could be enough. EOD members take care when dealing with them!
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