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    Quote Originally Posted by 2pounder View Post
    would add that live primers in or out of cases are now subject to new restrictions ie cant posses unless you have an FAC that covers their use eg you can have small pistol primers if you have say .357mag only on your FAC but you cant have rifle size primers or even large pistol primers.

    Never heard that before, do you have a link to the legislation ?

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    The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 introduced controls on the purchase and sale of primers.

    Details can be found in the guide on firearms licensing law 2016. See page 32

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...he-police-2012

    Note, the guidance mentions controls on purchase and sale. It does not mention possession.

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    thanks for the detail Glevum, I'd read it but not sure where, agreed possession is not mentioned but the purchase of a round with live primer would be included. Not a point I'd want to argue with a policeman doing his duty as he sees it.

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    A policeman should not be doing his duty as he sees it.

    He should be following Home Office guidance.

    Otherwise what is the point of the Home Office publishing guidance?

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    Thanks everyone so far. Would be interesting to know the rules for other countries like France, Belgium and Germany.
    2 Pounder and Glevum - both good points but as we know it is impossible for a Police Officer to know everything, therefore one would hope acts on best judgement.
    If that means the total removal of one's collection as a confiscation measure, to then fully research any top down guidance and then have to return it all hopefully undamaged is a situation I am sure has NEVER happened!!!!
    And of course Home Office guidance is crystal clear, easy to understand and not open to interpretation either! I am still trying to understand Deactivation pre-BREXIT and now.
    Mark

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    I could answer for Germany but you should be more specific about which rules you want to know because they are fairly complex like in most countries and in some cases they are very unclear written. In post #8 I always answered that drilled holes are not required here and that armor piercing and tracer projectiles are also forbidden here. And not to forget beside the country specific rules there are very restrictive cargo rules (especially air cargo). It's easier to send a container of live small arms ammunition than a single hundred years old inert grenade.

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    Home Office Guidance is just Guidance not the law! that is something the police impose much like they do with certificates and now my optician tells me they, in Hants, Dorset and Thames Valley carry out roadside eye tests to check you meet the requirements not with a number plate as the Highway Code suggests but a mix of letters like an optician uses that can easily be confused if you are a bit poor sighted, fortunately they tend to pick on older drivers as they are most likely to fail and be able to pay the £1000 on the spot fine.

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    I would suggest that your optician sticks with optometry.

    In 2018, Thames Valley Police, Hampshire and West Midlands conducted a road safety campaign to raise public awareness into driving with uncorrected vision. To this end, all motorists stopped for a driving offence were invited to take a road side eyesight test.

    To require someone to take the test, the constable must have reason to suspect the person is driving with uncorrected vision.

    If, there is any truth in the officers not using a vehicle registration mark, I would like to think that this was an attempt to reduce ‘false negatives’. Reading a VRM at 20 metres is nothing more than a screening test. The requirements specified in driver legislation are far more detailed.

    In the UK we don’t have ‘on the spot fines’ the nearest we have to that is Fixed Penalty Notices and you generally get 28 days to pay. The maximum tariff for a Fixed Penalty Notice (Endorsable) is set at £300. As far as I’m aware, ‘driving with uncorrected vision’ is not an offence that can be dealt with by way of an FPN(E).

    TimG
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