A buy of the century

[sksvlad]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-all...102043489.html

[pzgr40]

food for thoughts ....when she's serving her decade in prison

[Millsman]

IMHO these should not be in civilian hands. Military rifles for the military unless vintage.

[Slick]

I bet the Ukranians have the same opinion.

[pzgr40]

IMHO these should not be in civilian hands. Military rifles for the military unless vintage.

Vintage weapons -a MG42 for instance- are less lethal?

[Millsman]

Vintage weapons -a MG42 for instance- are less lethal?

Most countries ban civilians from having fully auto weapons, so that's not normally an issue, even in the US. It's clear from the many multiple shootings in the US AR15s and their various derivatives are the weapon of choice if you want to shoot up your local school, cinema, church etc etc. Putting a semi auto military weapon in the hands of any citizen who wants one is asking for trouble. And tragic. I love the US but can never understand their relationship with guns (and I'm an ex rifle and pistol shooter).

[sksvlad]

As far as I know, in the USA, only 2 states, New York and New Jersey, have a total ban on civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons. Correct me if I am wrong. On a personal level, I am much more afraid of a smooth bore 12 gauge pump.

[Slick]

Actually(factually) handguns are the weapon of choice, by a wide margin. At least per FBI stats. Full auto weapons are much more difficult(and expensive) to obtain legally but are gettable if one is so inclined. I'm more of a bolt action kinda guy, but ARs are at hand. Just in case a boogie man shows up.

[US-Subs]

Full auto weapons may be owned in the majority of States, but there are Federal restrictions on top of any that the State may impose. They must be legal weapons registered for civilian ownership prior to 1986. This limits the pool, and as demand goes up, so does the cost - in many cases well into the tens of thousands. If you want a weapon you need to find one for sale, and arrange a transfer through a dealer licensed to transfer full auto weapons, or destructive devices (DD). You pay for the weapon, the dealer takes possession and submits your request for a permit to the ATF, with a $200 transfer fee (tax stamp). Once it is processed and approved by ATF the dealer receives the paperwork and you can take possession of the weapon. ATF is limited like all Federal agencies by personnel and budget, so it is not a fast process. My last transfer took 11 months. All of this drives legal full auto out of the hands of most private citizens.

I'm not sure that there is any way to understand or explain the US relationship with firearms, but there is no denying that it exists. It certainly has its ugly side, but it is so deeply ingrained in our society that the vast majority of our country are willing to accept the large number but tiny percentage (we are a very large country) of problems that occur. Owning a firearm in my region is kind of like owning a car-jack. Everyone has one, don't take it out and use it very often...

[Millsman]

I'm not sure that there is any way to understand or explain the US relationship with firearms, but there is no denying that it exists. It certainly has its ugly side, but it is so deeply ingrained in our society that the vast majority of our country are willing to accept the large number but tiny percentage (we are a very large country) of problems that occur. Owning a firearm in my region is kind of like owning a car-jack. Everyone has one, don't take it out and use it very often...

Maybe it's time to make everyone who has an AR15 type rifle join an official State armed militia, spend every weekend in the military and 2 weeklong camps a year (salary paid by State), or rewrite the 2nd amendment?