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Daniels & Gardiner Percussion Grenade

Snufkin

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Daniels and Gardiner percussion grenades have appeared briefly in previous threads, for example D&G Grenades (bocn.co.uk). Herewith a description of a representative D&G grenade, the D&G No.4, and a very brief summary of the abortive Daniels and Gardiner grenade story.

The images show various aspects of a furnished D&G No.4 grenade, and then stripped down and labelled to correspond with the description of operation. The cocked striker is shown removed from its housing. The grenade lacks its base plug, into which a rifle rod could be screwed.

To use, the safety pin and ring pull (L) was withdrawn, freeing the weight (A) at the outer end of a 28” (70cm) tape (B) and the grenade thrown or launched from a rifle. The tape unwound until the safety peg (C) at the inner end was free to be ejected by the spiral spring (D). The grenade was now fully armed, the spring-loaded striker (F) being held in place purely by the compression force of the striker spring (I) acting on a blade, trapped between the top flange of the striker (F) and the collar of the fuze chamber central plug (G). The blade was curved with an asymmetric weight (E) at the end - the shock of the grenade landing caused the weight to act to dislodge the blade, releasing the striker to fire down under the force of its spring to the detonator in its sleeve (H), and set off the grenade.

The D&G series ran to eight variants, or marks, from early 1916 to mid-1918, and the operating principle – eccentric weight and tape-and-peg delay and safety device - was common to all. Detailed improvements in safety and reliability were claimed by the inventors with increasing mark, but the Munitions Design Committee responsible for testing the device begged to differ.

British Patents No.124837 of May 1916 and No.129042 of October 1917 effectively describe the D&G No.5 and D&G No.8, respectively. The internals of the No.4 are identical schematically to the drawing of Patent No.124837. According to a publicity document produced by the inventors, some 6,730 grenades had been fired in UK trials up to the 1st June 1917. However, senior staff on the Design Committee had noted in October 1916, “no form of percussion grenade in which the striker is retained by a compressed spring should be considered”, as the chances of a premature were unacceptable, while a blind would be particularly dangerous to dispose of. Irrespective of the official view of such a design, Daniels and Gardiner persisted with their development, even lobbying the then Minister for Munitions, Mr Winston Churchill, to promote their cause.

By December 1917, Sir Douglas Haig had confirmed the intent for the Army in France to trial 1,000 D&G grenades* (and 1,000 of the equally dubious Chamier percussion grenades), and orders for the D&G were placed with J Griffin & Sons Ltd, London. This firm was, however, unable to give an immediate quotation for supply as they explained that “the grenade, as at present designed, does not function satisfactorily and therefore, further experimental work is necessary”. There followed four months of delay and excuses before the first completed items were sent for filling, but then the Munitions Inventions Department found the design “not efficient” and ordered the grenades to be returned to the manufacturer for alteration. 108 were modified for improved safety and sent back to MID, where the grenade duly failed the resumed safety and sensitivity tests.

By 22 June 1918 the French trials were cancelled and all further evaluation by MID had ceased. The Daniels & Gardiner grenade did not progress further, in part because of more promising developments with the large percussion egg grenades being considered for the 2” discharger cup - the CSOF, Bellamy, Cole, Midgeley, and Vickery.


*Being the final mark, the No.8 variant.



Tom.
 

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There were all sorts of politics involved as well, accusations levelled at the MID expert - Ley, and of course the court case for suspected corruption. Gardiner didn't help their case by writing to Winston Churchill saying that to get anywhere you had to open doors with a 'golden key' (bribes).
 
Attached is an image of a D&G Mk8 grenade - the variant used in the final MID trials of mid-1918 - in relic condition recovered from a former experimental range (photo courtesy of BOCN member Bonnex). It shows the additional safety feature incorporated, of an auxiliary locking pin securing the weighted blade. The two locking pins are labelled D, E to correspond to the accompanying patent drawing, and the use of two such pins would have reduced the probability of a premature when the grenade was thrown or rifle launched with the tape in place.

However, the patent included the paragraph (attached) detailing how for "instantaneous action" the first ring pull securing the tape weight could be pulled, the tape unwound, and the auxiliary pin E removed. When the second ring pull securing the safety pin D was removed, the latter was retained by the thrower's thumb, the grenade becoming armed immediately on leaving his hand. It is difficult to understand why the inventors included such a mode of operation in the patent description as it completely nullified the safety requirements of the specification for a percussion grenade. Using the grenade as described, with the possibility of a premature, the effect on the thrower could have been short and unpleasant.




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Many thanks, Tim. I had an inkling that the IWM had a pristine example, but otherwise I thought the disdain with which the final trials D&G grenades were held had condemned the rest to a deep pit burial somewhere on Claremont Park.




Tom.
 
However, the patent included the paragraph (attached) detailing how for "instantaneous action" the first ring pull securing the tape weight could be pulled, the tape unwound, and the auxiliary pin E removed. When the second ring pull securing the safety pin D was removed, the latter was retained by the thrower's thumb, the grenade becoming armed immediately on leaving his hand. It is difficult to understand why the inventors included such a mode of operation in the patent description as it completely nullified the safety requirements of the specification for a percussion grenade. Using the grenade as described, with the possibility of a premature, the effect on the thrower could have been short and unpleasant.

It sounds a bit 'Australian' as a solution, but it may have been the only way any type of Allways grenade could be used for throwing into a dugout or pillbox where there was very little distance for the tape to unwind. Doing it would hardly make approaching a pillbox less safe? War is by its nature pretty dangerous. I think that is where the instantaneous action may have come from.
 
The earlier D&G Mk3 grenade used an adapted casing of a Mills No.5 grenade to mount the D&G fuze assembly, which screwed into the mouth of the Mills. The lugs were cut away and the original striker aperture expanded and threaded to enable the D&G base plug to screw in, which was threaded to take the standard 5 1/2-inch Mills rifle rod. The tape and peg delay and the weighted blade arrangement were very similar to the Mk4, but the body of the latter allowed demonstration firings from the Burn gun (a smooth bore grenade gun designed by Lt Robert Burn).

Comparison of the Mk3 and Mk4 below.



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