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11 in. 200 Pr. ML Trench Howitzer
- Thread starter Birdseye
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Birdseye
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I cannot say.
It does not appear in the Osprey book on Brit WW1 artillery, it does not pop when you do a Google search, the book does not appear in any search that I have yet done.
As I said, the book looks "custom" in that the pages of text are typed and the pictures are real photos tipped in.
There is a distribution list pasted on the front flyleaf, an image of which is below.
The only date is on the distribution list and is July 15, 1918. There is no indication as to who owned this particular copy. Nor are there any prefatory notes, introduction nor copyright nor edition number.
Nothing really that serves to identify the book.
It does not appear in the Osprey book on Brit WW1 artillery, it does not pop when you do a Google search, the book does not appear in any search that I have yet done.
As I said, the book looks "custom" in that the pages of text are typed and the pictures are real photos tipped in.
There is a distribution list pasted on the front flyleaf, an image of which is below.
The only date is on the distribution list and is July 15, 1918. There is no indication as to who owned this particular copy. Nor are there any prefatory notes, introduction nor copyright nor edition number.
Nothing really that serves to identify the book.
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TonyE
HONOURED MEMBER RIP
11 in.
It looks to me like a proposal from Armstrongs for a new Trench Mortar, especially given the distribution list, Currie - Canadian Corps, Trench Warfare Dept, American Expeditionary Force etc., touting for business.
Also, given the date of July 1918, it probably never got further than a proposal and a prototype. Certainly by August Amiens had been won and we were into the "Hundred Days" of open warfare. No-one was going to order large numbers of heavy mortars when it looked like trench warfare was over - which it was.
Regards
TonyE
It looks to me like a proposal from Armstrongs for a new Trench Mortar, especially given the distribution list, Currie - Canadian Corps, Trench Warfare Dept, American Expeditionary Force etc., touting for business.
Also, given the date of July 1918, it probably never got further than a proposal and a prototype. Certainly by August Amiens had been won and we were into the "Hundred Days" of open warfare. No-one was going to order large numbers of heavy mortars when it looked like trench warfare was over - which it was.
Regards
TonyE
Does the book show any pictures of projectiles or describe them?
BD
BD
Quatermass
Well-Known Member
You could also try this link for a couple of pictures.
http://www.libraries.psu.edu/do/digitalbookshelf/28988665/28988665_part_19.pdf
http://www.libraries.psu.edu/do/digitalbookshelf/28988665/28988665_part_19.pdf
doctor
Well-Known Member
11 in
Yes, but see the technology off " pivot for driving" and the tail of the bomb,certainly not the same but strangely similar?
It's the reason why i say it could be an experimemtal or evolved system
The caliber and weight is also similar
Never seen diagram of Sutton trench bomb and i know only the posted pictures here
Difficult to find diagram...but this bomb is sometimes notified and not discribe
Yes, but see the technology off " pivot for driving" and the tail of the bomb,certainly not the same but strangely similar?
It's the reason why i say it could be an experimemtal or evolved system
The caliber and weight is also similar
Never seen diagram of Sutton trench bomb and i know only the posted pictures here
Difficult to find diagram...but this bomb is sometimes notified and not discribe
Birdseye
BOCN Contributor
Quatermass
Well-Known Member
"Vickers and Armstrong Whitworth both submitted large-calibre, rifled breech-loaders which were described as 'finely made pieces of ordnance'. The Vickers had a calibre of 9.2 in while the Armstrong Whitworth was a monster of 11 in. The Armstrong Whitworth mortar was trialled but found to be no more accurate than the 9.45 in already in service and since the projectile weighed 200 lb, which was far too heavy, no further action was taken. The Vickers was not even given a trial."
Weapons of the trench war 1814-1918. Anthony Saunders
My guess is that the photographs, as doctor suggests, are developments of the same weapon.
Quatermass.
Weapons of the trench war 1814-1918. Anthony Saunders
My guess is that the photographs, as doctor suggests, are developments of the same weapon.
Quatermass.
I found this site
These "Flying Pigs" were in service. But the projectile might be somewhat different.
I found this web site and image;
Results
The Trench Mortar Batteries of 1914-1918
Postcard illustration of a crew loading a heavy trench mortar. ... to previous page; The British artillery weapons of WW1 ... GHQ; Armies; Corps; British Divisions; Australian Divisions; Canadian ...
In the previous image with the projectile standing up, it looks like there is an American made 75mm projectile, you can make out the double grooves below the drive band, no fuse, for comparison I guess.
These "Flying Pigs" were in service. But the projectile might be somewhat different.
I found this web site and image;
Results
The Trench Mortar Batteries of 1914-1918
Postcard illustration of a crew loading a heavy trench mortar. ... to previous page; The British artillery weapons of WW1 ... GHQ; Armies; Corps; British Divisions; Australian Divisions; Canadian ...
In the previous image with the projectile standing up, it looks like there is an American made 75mm projectile, you can make out the double grooves below the drive band, no fuse, for comparison I guess.
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Birdseye
BOCN Contributor
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=2827fade959b7628ab1eab3e9fa335ca5ae01bc4017c8fa6
This is the link for a download of the entire book.
I'll stick it somewhere more accessible tomorrow.
This is the link for a download of the entire book.
I'll stick it somewhere more accessible tomorrow.