Crayford queries.

**SG500** · 24th January 2009, 06:00 PM

Attached are a few pictures of some 40mm Crayford rounds.

The one on the left is a "standard" one for comparison purposes.
The one in the middle has a very unusual profile. When unscrewed the base is solid copper. I know of one other round idential to this one.
The one on the right is rimless. I know of 2 other rounds like this one.

Does anyone have any further information on these unusual Crayfords. The 2 rounds on the right do not appear to be standard and do not have any markings on them. I am assuming that as there are other similar rounds out there that came from completely different sources that these are genuine and not made up rounds (they certainly feel and look like real ones).

All inert and legal with nothing nasty in them.

Dave.

**Bonnex** · 24th January 2009, 07:26 PM

No 2 is incendiary I believe. Herewith a sketch. In my time I have probably seen half a dozen, all with the copper base rather than the steel referred to in the diagram.

**SG500** · 24th January 2009, 08:47 PM

Thanks Norman, any thoughts about the rimless one?
Dave.

**Bonnex** · 24th January 2009, 09:57 PM

None I'm afraid. The only other version I have seen was a 'regular' case with a projectile fuzed No 131 (the fast, fabric sensitive job).

**Gspragge** · 25th January 2009, 05:13 AM

do you have others of that quality showing other 37mm & 40 mm types ?

**Bonnex** · 25th January 2009, 01:37 PM

With one exception I only have diagrams from the usual Handbooks, Treatises and Textbooks. The exception is the Cart, QF, 1 1/4 Pdr, Practice (Mark I) /N/. I expect the gun is a little known bit of Navy ordnance; when the Royal Navy acquired what became HMS Swiftsure and Triumph in 1904 they inherited these guns (the two ships were originally ordered by the Chilean government and presumably this ordnance was specified by them).

The file is too big for BOCN but if you PM me with an email address I will send a copy.

**highlandotter** · 7th June 2011, 11:04 PM

Hi Dave. I have 2 of the short, copper based Cayfords, VSM headstamps, nothing other really apparent. Anyone interested in possible trade for the spare? Exotic 37mm or other pre 1920 items?? Highlandotter

**SG500** · 8th June 2011, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by highlandotter

Hi Dave. I have 2 of the short, copper based Cayfords, VSM headstamps, nothing other really apparent. Anyone interested in possible trade for the spare? Exotic 37mm or other pre 1920 items?? Highlandotter

Thanks Highlandotter. You've done well getting 2 of them! I'm sure someone would be up for a trade.
Dave.