German smoke grenades

[Grenadier]

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This is second (rarer) elongated variant of Rauchsichtzeichen 160. Or Handrauchzeichen (type with metal body), but I would make a bet on first one rather.

 

[Pascal]

I found this about the grenades.

I'm not sure the blendkorper14 is the Bk1H...

 

[Grenadier]

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Sure 1H, 14 is mistake. Here a picture of a "Shaving stick", roller63 was selling it here.

 

[Tmine35]

Grenadier,
the picture in your last message shows "Landungsrauchzeichen" yellow smoke signal charge - the same as in my picture at the beginning of thread. Red knob shows 1 sec. delay typical to this charge.
Shaving stick grenade was a HE grenade of different design and with 4-5 sec. delay.
What is ment about "HK14 is mistake" I don't understand. The one in my picture is a real one. It was found live ( not by myself ) and the founder did cut the thin end and removed the contains in a dry frosty weather ( it still created some smoke ) before giving it to me.

 

[Grenademan2005]

Then the Shaving Stick exists as an explosive grenade? And yours are only Smoke Grenades? If this is yes, the Lexpev page is wrong.

 

[Tmine35]

I have never seen a shaving stick grenade in real life and can't say more than the datasheet which Pascal posted tells. From this datasheet I understand it was HE ?
All grenades in my actual picture contained smoke composition.

 

[engineer]

This so called shaving stick grenade did never exist as an explosive grenade. One of many misinformations you can find in US manuals. It's nothing but a common smoke signal.

Cheers

engineer

 

[Grenademan2005]

The yellow "Shaving/Smoke" grenade showed by Grenadier hasnt vent holes as usuall in the smoke grenades. How the smoke go out of the body?

 

[Tmine35]

The yellow "Shaving/Smoke" grenade showed by Grenadier hasnt vent holes as usuall in the smoke grenades. How the smoke go out of the body?

This is exactly the same as "Landungsrauchzeichen" in my first photo. There is a small hole on right side of the top cover, the same in my grenade. Obviously the whole problem is American manual misunderstandingly calling it "Shaving stick grenade": Correct German name is Landungsrauchzeichen, it's a yellow smoke signal grenade for Luftwaffe. Another mistake in US manual is 4-5 sec. delay time. Instruction label on German grenade states the same as red fuze knob; 1 sec. delay. (So, information in this manual is totally wrong - unless there really exists another totally different grenade - "shaving stick"?? )

 

[paul the grenade]

I have this grenade made from a cluster bomblet that i thought was the "shaving stick grenade"
can anyone give this a positive identification?
Paul.

 

[Tmine35]

In any case it does not match with drawing in US manual, if such one at alla exists? I think this is just one of the late war emergency grenades.

 

[engineer]

Attached 2 photos of my small but complete collection of Rauchsichtzeichen orange.

Cheers

engineer

 

[Grenademan2005]

Yeeeehaaa, the three models, the "complet set". Congrats! These are very rare.

 

[Grenademan2005]

I have this grenade made from a cluster bomblet that i thought was the "shaving stick grenade"
can anyone give this a positive identification?
Paul.

Hi Paul:
Yours is an emergency grenade made from a parachute-dropped "Splitterbombe SD 0,5kg" as you can read in the Lex site. Not a "Fallschirmjaeger grenade" nor other rare things it was called. This is a totally positive ID of this late war emergency grenade.
And back to the Shaving grenade, the Lex site is right then. In all these years and with all the collectors in Europe I have never seen one, so maybe it never existed as Engineer says.

 

[Grenadier]

Grenadier,
the picture in your last message shows "Landungsrauchzeichen" yellow smoke signal charge - the same as in my picture at the beginning of thread. Red knob shows 1 sec. delay typical to this charge.
Shaving stick grenade was a HE grenade of different design and with 4-5 sec. delay.
What is ment about "HK14 is mistake" I don't understand. The one in my picture is a real one. It was found live ( not by myself ) and the founder did cut the thin end and removed the contains in a dry frosty weather ( it still created some smoke ) before giving it to me.

Hi,
Yes, "Shaving sticks" have been never real existing ammo by my opinion too. About the "BK 14" - correct name is "BK 1H"; your item is real without doubt.

 

[Tmine35]

About the "BK 14" - correct name is "BK 1H"/quote]

Here again, my only source of information is the US manual which seems to have another mistake.:sad:

 

[Pascal]

About the "BK 14" - correct name is "BK 1H"/quote]

Here again, my only source of information is the US manual which seems to have another mistake.:sad:

Hi.

Yes, you're right.

I have another pages from the same book, now, I will be very prudent from it ! (I don't know the title of the book)


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pascal

 

[Tmine35]

(I don't know the title of the book)

The book is "German Explosive Ordnance" OP 1666 Vol. 1. I think it's a reprint from WW2 US manual.

 

[Pascal]

Hello

Yes, I know, it's an old thread... ;-)

Today, I read another file about grenades and I saw (yes, I know, now I must be prudent with books) the shaving stick grenade is explosive.

It's from : German hand & rifle grenades. Bulletin nr 59. Mar, 7 1944.

I think, really, the picture in the firts message was the smoke grenade; but can we really name it the shaving stick grenade ?