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    identifying a 303 round

    heys folks found an odd round in my collection. its a standard .303 but on the bottom
    = 1943
    DI Z
    it doesnt quite make sense to me, year of manifacture check, but 501 z?
    there is an other = 1942
    DI VII Z
    is 501 a manifacturer? if so what mk Z round would the 43 one be?
    someone on another forum is trying to identify a round, can anyone help?

    I think his confusion is in the DI. I think he thinks this is a Roman Numeral for 501 but I'm not sure. Could it be a manufacturers initials?
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    This is a .303 round made in 1943 by Defence Industries Ltd., Canadian Industries Ltd, Park Avenue Plant, Montreal, Canada. The "Z" indicates that it used a nitrocellulose powder instead of cordite. The other one is made by the same company, but the "VII" indicates it used a British style Mark 7 bullet.

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    What you have is standard Canadian issue ball ammo.

    DI = Defence Industries, Verdun Canada

    VII = Mark 7 ball

    Z= Nitro Cellulose powder

    1942 = year of manufacture.

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    Many thanks chaps, I shall pass on your info to the OP.
    "Any live or recovered ordnance in my posts has been dealt with by trained EOD personnel"

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
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    I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
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    Time for tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissingSomething View Post
    What you have is standard Canadian issue ball ammo.

    DI = Defence Industries, Verdun Canada

    VII = Mark 7 ball

    Z= Nitro Cellulose powder

    1942 = year of manufacture.
    Not just Ball Ammo. I have seen regular DI cases used for G MkII Tracer and W MkI Armour Piercing. Rather have differing headstamps for each variation of .303, for a time at least Defence Industries used one common case.
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    Universal headstamp

    The use of the Defence Industries headstamp with simply the manufacturer, date and "Z" for nitrocellulose was an attempt to improve production by using a "universal" headstamp that could be used for any load, with a tip colour to indicate special loadings. The practice seems to have started in 1942 and carried on until 1945.

    I have ball, tracer (red tip) and grenade discharger (blackened case), but have never seen an AP.

    303gunner - Does the AP have a green tip? Are they relatively common your way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyE View Post
    I have ball, tracer (red tip) and grenade discharger (blackened case), but have never seen an AP.

    303gunner - Does the AP have a green tip? Are they relatively common your way?

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    The AP have a Green Tip and no colour in the Primer Annulus. They are not common here at all, in fact the only pack I have seen is in a friend's collection. I'll try to get a pic next time we catch up.

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    Green tip

    I would be very interested in seeing a green tipped Canadian AP. and even more interested in trading for one. Can you ask your buddy if he is interested?

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    Exclamation .303 w1

    Hi
    Just to say i've an .303 ammo with green balls but not AP , it's From Italian
    Incendiary balls, no annulus color, BPD 39
    I've AP cartridge , RG W1 44 an 43 no colored ball an Green annulus
    C-P 1942 W1 with no colored ball and a Green annulus

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    AP

    The normal marking for British AP was a green annulus, which is what you have. The green tipped Canadian round is unusual. Normally the only green tip .303 AP one encounters is the Kynoch 1948 export contract item.

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