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    2inch Practice mortar round

    This is my 2inch Practice Mortar Round.These are used to practice live firing ,Filled with sand they are built to simulate the flight of HE rounds.The fuze is simply a dummy plug.It has a hole through the sides and a threaded hole in the nose to screw on the removeable safety cap.The red band indicates that a live propelling cartridge is used and the Yellow band indicates PRACTICE not HE as most would think.It is marked this way as it is using pre 1964 colour codes,i have also seen practice piat rounds using the same yellow band to indicate practice...Once fired these rounds were meant to be recovered and re used,which is why the safety cap attatches with a bolt
    The tail on this example is date stamped for 1963

    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by military EOD personnel .


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    Question one 2" mortar one something else

    hi

    i was looking out some 2pdr shells for someone and came across these in a box i had hidden from the wife .
    one 2" mortar with dummy on it ,( see spotter im getting good at this been reading your articles )

    and one something else any ideas ???
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    Armystuff your two inch mortar has a converted tail fin ie an extra row of holes making it four, this was to relieve pressure from the early Mk 1 balistite cartridges as these tails were made of a weaker aluminium silicon alloy to the later mazak tails until the mark2 cartridges came along. It was found that theses early tails were OK when used with the Mk 2 cartridge.The tails use to split, causing the bomb to fall short. All mazak tails with a Z should be maked with a blob of red paint on one side of a fin but not the alli ones. Your two inch round is not practice, it has a proper 151 or 161 fuze minus the insides and the brass impact cap that is normaly crimped on. If you found the bits to the insides it would be a lovely demo fuze you could strip down and examine. To remove the fuze remember it is a left hand thread (opposite to normal). What are the markings on the fuze. have you already had a peak inside, sometimes the cardboard tube that surrounds the bottom half of the fuze and felt discs that cover the explosive are left inside in some practice bombs which i have found in the past.
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    Question mortar

    hi BMG50
    i the pic no2 i have two mark 1 with z marks and SFD LTD 1940
    pic no 1 i have stripped the mortar now that you have told me iy was a left hand thread, couldent open it before
    i can only find the mark WDC1 on the fuse itself .
    on the outside rim is the words dummy in pic 3
    on the tail fin is TFD LTD 1938
    there is no cardboard tube inside the mortar ?

    on pic two left hand side i have two smaller mortar caps what dose this mortar look like ??
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    Picture shows 2inch para ilum mortar rounds ,these have a thin cap that pops off when the parachute/ilumination is ejected,
    The 2 smaller caps are from the 162 fuze used on the 3inch and 4.2 inch mortar round
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    mortars

    cheers mate
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    I have no listings for either SFD or TFD. However, both the companies listed below are shown as die-casters and it was not unusual to append a ‘d’ to the official monogram of a die-casting company.

    TFD = Trico-Folberth (Die-casters) (the windscreen wiper manufacturers) Great West Road, Brentford. Middx.

    SFD = Shaw Foundry Co., Ltd., (Die –casters). Part of ARTHUR SHAW AND CO LTD, DENVER WORKS, WILLENHALL –Architectural iron mongers

    WDC = Wolverhampton Die-Casting Co., Ltd., (151Fuzes)

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    Question mortars

    thank you for that info timG that explains the markings,

    regards armystuff,

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    I've got a similar mortar bomb, marked DUMMY on the side of the fuze.

    Body stamped 2 MOR 1MW 12 40

    The tail fin has four holes and is marked 4 F D LTD 1939 - 2

    Armystuff could your S be a 4?

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