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Show your 17 PR Rounds

RichardB

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Ok, so its not a particularly high intellect topic starter, but I hope everyone will participate.....they are fabulous rounds...not to mention the fact they were pretty much the only Allied round able to take on the German Panthers and Tigers head-on.

Here are my favourites.... repainted at some point, but still great rounds.

17 PR APDS 1944
17 PR APC 1943
17 PR APCBC 1944

British___17PDR__s_APDS_APC_APCBC.jpg


Cheers Rich
 
Hmm....don't think the pic uploaded...ill try again

British_17PDR.jpg


Post edited by: spotter, at: 2007/06/14 15:29

Post edited by: bolo, at: 2007/06/14 15:31
 
May be repainted Richardb but they are still nice rounds,thanks for sharing them
 
I wanted to upload my own 17pr round here too but my wife said there was already enough porn on the net...
Did the cases of these have specific (paint) markings on the base to ID it for AP or APDS ?
 
Hi lexpev,

The APDS round was marked with APDS on the bottom of the case, as well as a black band or two parallel bands near the bottom of the case.

I believe the AP and APCBC rounds were marked AP SHOT on the bottom of the case.

hope this helps, Rich
 
Hi Rich and all others,

I've seen the black ink markings with the US 57mm rounds (not APCBC),but never with the Brit rounds.
If you come accross any UK markings let me (us) know. I'm so unknown with these, inform me.
What do those parralel bands look like?

And another question.
What is that blue ring on top of that APDS ?
Understand white-red-white,know what T does, but blue band?
De-confuse me!
Cheers, Lex

Post edited by: lexpev, at: 2007/06/23 23:36
 
Hi Lex,

These are the markings on the base of my 6 pdr APDS,ok,not a 17 pdr,
but I would assume that the markings would be the same.

If anyone knows otherwise please let me know.

Cheers,
Andy
6_PDR_APDS__4_-5e639174b633e99f89290a71d35f6da1.JPG


Post edited by: AndyD, at: 2007/06/24 08:39
 
Right, call me a slow learner.
I found all the info in a 1943 manual, in my own bookcase...
I'd better start reading the books I buy , then ask questions maybe.

The drawings that were in this manual are now placed in the \"documents\" section.
 
Ref the blue band..im wondering if who ever repainted this round copied the colour scheme from a post WW2 round.A document i have says that from 1948 -1954 blue tips and bands were used on shot to indicate the armour piercing capacity.Light blue indicated Semi-armour piercing(SAP) and Dark blue indicated Armour piercing (AP).Post 1964 british colour coding was standardised and since then Blue has indicated practice (light blue) or drill(dark blue).So going by what ive found my guess is repainted incorectly using coluors found on rounds from 1948-1954.what do you think
 
Spotter,

I think the blue band is correct.
If you look at the 6 PR APDS projectile AndyD posted, you can clearly see a blue band, and the projectile certainly looks like original paint. Similarly, the documents Lexpev put in the 17 PR documents section, clearly show a 17PR projectile dated '44 and sporting a blue band.

Exactly what the blue band represents, I don't know. In terms of small arms, the blue band represents incendiary.

just my 2c

Rich
 
cheers for pointing that out rich,i didnt even consider looking at the other posts closer,those documents i got that info from are already in the bin
 
sorry dm53 my eyes are not to good at my age,is the drill round wood and metal construction or all metal
 
It is all metal. The projectile has a stamp DRILL in its body. The primer is also a drill one. It is stamped 1943

Regards

DM 53
 
To quote from the maintenance manual for the Ordnance, Q.F. 17-PR Mark I (1946) Stencilled on the base will be found letters indicating the type of cartridge, as for example :-
A.P. SHOT (Armour-piercing shot)
H.E. RED (High explosive reduced charge)
H.E. TIM RED (High explosive reduced charge and time fuze)
A.P.C.B.C. (Armour piercing capped ballistic cap)
PRAC (Practise shot, full charge)
I’ll post the picture from the manual when I get time.
The stencilling on the side of cases, to quote from the manual again :-
(a) Batch letter
(b) Batch Number
c) Sub-batch letter as applicable
(d) Letters indicating propellant type and shape
(e) Mark of cartridge
(f) Monogram of filling station or filling firm
(g) Date of filling , month and year.

Quatermass
 
C'mon then chaps, Lets put some pictures back, I know a few people (lexpev, DM53 and Quatermass :)) have all owned up to having 17pdr rounds tucked away somewhere....lets put the pics back and preferably add a few more.

How many types of 17PDR rounds were there?

AP
APC
APCBC
APDS
HE
DRILL
PRAC (flathead)
Smoke (did this exist??)

Here are my three again
(unfortunately repaints...but still nice)

British___17PDR__s_APDS_APC_APCBC_S.jpg


Cheers Rich
 
Here are my 17 Pdr rounds. Unfortanaly i am lacking the HE, smoke and AP original colours.

Best regards

DM 53
 
Here is the only 17 Pounder item I have retained from my collection.
Canadian Produced by Dominion Arms Company Canada in (I believe) co operation with Fort Halsted in Kent.
It was introduced to bridge the gap after the war when Tungsten was at an absolute premium as it has a reduced Tungsten content being inside a "Sabot" with a sleeve.
A few component parts of these items have surfaced but it is still an unusual item-it did enter service with the Army very briefly only to be superceded by other Armour defeating developements.
If any one would like further details, feel free to contact me.
APPS_T_Components.JPG
 
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