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    The French Collection.

    Ive recently updated my french WW2 AFV ordnance collection, and wanted to share with everyone. Most of the collection originated from the French EOD and Ive picked up almost all items over the last year.

    Is anyone brave enough to atempt accurate identification of the 10 items as described by France and, for the really adventurous, the German nomenclature...!!!

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    1. 37x94R 37mm Mle 1916/1918
    ----In German Use - Munition der 3,7cm Kw.K 144 / Pzgr. Patr. 148 (f)

    2. 37x149R 37mm Mle 1938
    3. 37x149R 37mm Mle 1938 -
    ----In German Use - Munition der 3,7cm Kw.K 143 / Sprgr. Patr. 145 (f)


    4. 47x193R 47mm Mle 1935
    ----French Description - Cartouche a Boulet Perforant Mle35
    ----In German Use - Munition der 4,7cm Kw.K 173 / Pzgr. Patr. 176 (f)
    5. 47x139R 47mm Mle 1934

    6. 47x193R 47mm Mle 1935
    ----French Description - Cartouche a Obus Explosif Mle38
    ----In German Use - Munition der 4,7cm Kw.K 173 / Sprgr. Patr. 175 (f)

    7. 47x380R 47mm Mle 1937 - Cartouche a Obus de Rupture Mle38
    8. 47x380R 47mm Mle 1937 - Cartouche a Perforant avec Fausse-Ogive,Taceur Mle1938

    9. 75x247R 75mm SA-35 (Char B Hull mounted gun - 75mm L/17)
    ---- French Desription - Cartouche a Obus Explosif M1910
    ----In German Use - Munition der 7,5cm Kw.K 251 / Sprgr. Patr. 231 (f)

    10. 105mm Mle 36 HE (105x245R)
    ---- French Description - Canon de 105 L modèle 1936 Schneider
    ---- In German Use - 10,5 cm schwere Kanone 332(f)


    Rich
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    Those are really nice

    All you need is a late 1930s made Mle 1888 (37x94r PD) and perhaps a 37x94r 1918 Gaba Fused HE. I once saw a photo of a French Tank (1939-40?) with a row of the Mle 1888s lined up on it -
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    Hi Rich,
    Wow those are great, a few i have not seen before, well done on adding those to your collection. Cant help you with the ident though,
    Best Weasel.

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    Hi,

    Can anyone help with the correct name/nomenclature of the following.

    1. 2nd Projectile in from the left in the picture.
    2. 5th Projectile and case from the left in the picture
    3. Finally, does anyone know the correct name of the fuze on the 9th projectile in from the left hand end, and also what the correct fuze should be if this is incorrect (I think it's wrong)

    thanks in advance...

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    great collection richard

    regards lee

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    Nice French Connection
    Regards Madbomber

    All Items of Live Ordnance posted by me have been disposed of by EOD.

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    Nice collection Richard. French ordnance collecting seems to be a bit neglected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardB View Post
    Hi,

    Can anyone help with the correct name/nomenclature of the following.

    1. 2nd Projectile in from the left in the picture.
    2. 5th Projectile and case from the left in the picture
    3. Finally, does anyone know the correct name of the fuze on the 9th projectile in from the left hand end, and also what the correct fuze should be if this is incorrect (I think it's wrong)

    thanks in advance...
    Hi Richard,

    I believe the 5th projectile is in the wrong case. It is actually Belgian HE for the C47 anti tank gun and goes in the 47 x 280r case. The German ident for this was 185(b).

    BD

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    Thanks Burney, and as luck would have it, there was a c47 case for sale on SA. !!!..

    So that leaves the case - do you have details of projectile that should go in it?.... I assume MLE 1934 C.19?

    Thanks, Rich

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    Hi:
    I want to relaunch this thread because I feel the French Tank and AT rounds a forgotten field on the WWII ordnance collecting.
    Yes, French Tank Rounds is a semiforgotten field because France lost the war ver fast, but we can´t forget that France is a great country with a lot of history and, very important, Germans used these rounds when captured them. So, I believe that it is very important for future references ask to all members who have in their collections these rounds for post pics of them. And if have more info or wartime photos post them too, of course. I hope to see many pics, but not only from the round, but detailed pics of markings of case bases and shells.
    Last edited by Grenademan2005; 26th February 2010 at 04:50 AM.

 

 
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