Russian 76.2mm tank rounds?

[Dottor]

44 is a year of shell manufacturing (1944), "r" is russian "g" (so "god" is russian word for "year"). "3.257" is shell manufacturer stamp, "Zavod 257" (it is not "3", it is russian "z") - "Orskii mekhhanicheskii zavod", Orsk (town) mechanical plant. 404 is a lot number.

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
Abaut Russian 76,2mm case;

76,2 x 385R
..the same ammunition for;

Divisional gun;
mod. 1902
mod. 1902/30 (F-10)
mod. 1933 (F-19)
mod. 1936 (F-22)
mod. 1939 (F-22 USW)
mod. 1942 (ZIS-3)

Regimental gun;
mod. 1927
mod. 1927/30

Tank gun;
Ł-10 (T-100)
Ł-11 (T-34/76 m.1940, SMK, KW-1 m.1939)
F-32 (KW-1 m.1940, KW-1E m.1940)
F-34 (T-34/76 m.1941, T-34/76 m.1942, T-34/76 m.1943 )
KT-28 (T-35 m.1935)
ZIS-5 (KW-1 m.1941)

76,2 x 300R
Mountain Gun;
mod. 1838.

76,2 x 191R
Mountain Gun;
mod. 1904
mod. 1909
Fortress gun; mod. 1910

76,2 x 167R
Regimental gun mod. 1943.

RichardB, primer in your's 76,2mm case look's like new. I think, it's post war primer (this amunition was long time in service in "Warsaw pact").
Here stamp's on oryginal ww2 primer;

Regards.

 

[SG500]

Here's a couple of photos of one of my Russian Arrowheads that is sectioned. Thanks to PZGR40, a fantastic job as can be seen by the close ups of the primer.
The separate steel slug behind the tungsten core is designed to follow through behind the core.
Dave.

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Nice
And here 76,2mm BP-350A find in Poland last year.

Regards.

 

[Endel]

A few different 76,2mm rounds. Im not sure what is the second one.

 

[APFSDST]

The second is an UBP-354 HEAT round.

 

[Tony Williams]

The "short" case you have was the one used in the T-34 I believe. Confusion may have been caused by the fact that HVAP ammo was also officially listed as available for the Soviet M1931/1939 AA guns, which used a 76x559 case with a 102mm rim. Anyone coming across one of these might have assumed that it was intended for a tank/anti-tank gun.

The biggest rounds I normally collect are 57mm calibre (plus a few bigger ones used in aircraft), but I have got the 45mm and 57mm Soviet arrowhead shot, as shown in this pic from the Ammo Photo Gallery on my website:

40x304R (British 2 pdr APSV Mk 1: Littlejohn squeezebore), 45x310R (Soviet 45mm APCR), 50x289R (German 5 cm KwK 38 L/42 Pzgr.40), 50x419R (German 5 cm Pak 38 L/60 Pzgr.40), 57x441R (British 6 pdr APDS), 57x480R (Soviet 57mm APCR)

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
УБП-354A (foto 1, 2, 3) and УБП-353M (foto.4)
HEAT amunition, used in Russian Tank gun's and Divisional gun's.

Regards.


...and of course all empty and safe!.

 

[leeski]

nice shells mariusz loslau

lee

 

[Endel]

To Loslou:
Tanks for showing your exhibit! Whats the differents between your showed BP-350A and Dottor image of the BP-354P?

Ill be baffled about my attached HVAP projectiles, are they has the same marking?


To RichardB:
Sorry about the disrupting of this thread!

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
Sorry Endel, my mistake.
I tnink, the only differences between BP-350A and BP-354Пis a ballistic cap.
-Steel and aluminium.
1. BP-354П
2. BP-350A

Regards.

 

[Endel]

Thanks a lot, Loslau!

The Al ballistic cap is full aluminium, but I cant find any drawings of this cross-section.

 

[EOD]

hi this is a intresting russain round its 1913 and i think a 76 mm brass case

Your case here is likely to be a 75mm Schneider as it was used be the Russian Navy.

 

[EOD]

looking in Jane's Ammunition Handbook 1999-2000. The Frag-HE and HVAP-T projectiles are still in production.

I doubt that seriously. The last 76mm ammo was used in the PT-76 amphibious vehicle (gun D-56) and the cases for it were reused ones (have seen some from 1938!) and only the projectiles were made later (the late HEAT-FS "BK-354" on the round "UBK-354" with shortened case) somewhen in the 1980's latest. Which weapon should use these in 1999-2000 still?

 

[Der Uhu]

БР-254П HVAP with plastic (karbolitovym) ballistic tip.
The subject of rare - in the collections of friends does not.
Found on the site of the battle of 1944

 

[charley777]

hi just to add who made the ammunition for the israeli tanks ? as i have added a photo of a 76 mm israeli tank / tank destroyer dated 1964

Looks like a 76.2x580R case for US M32 AFV...probably used by Israel for a while.

 

[HAZORD]

Russel,

Yes, your case looks like the U.S. 3 inch case used in the M10 Tank Destroyer, and the mobile antiaircraft guns in WWII. It has the exact neck and rim design of the U.S. case.

 

[pzgr40]

Here's a couple of photos of one of my Russian Arrowheads that is sectioned. Thanks to PZGR40, a fantastic job as can be seen by the close ups of the primer.
The separate steel slug behind the tungsten core is designed to follow through behind the core.
Dave.

Well, I descided to buy a new one when I had the chance. I cut this one too to find out it had no "follow up" core.
Results below

Ps: got some extra info: The type with the follow up steel slug is the post war type, the one depicted below here is the WW2 type.

 

[pzgr40]

On the Wkammo forum I was told I made some mistakes in this cutaway model, so maybe the moderator of this forum can remove the picture above as it is incorrect. Below here, the correct picture.
Thanks in advance,
Sorry voor de inconvinience,
Regards, DJH

 

[RichardB]

Its still a beautiful section, and looks like it should be an easy fix !!

You mention the difference between the post war and the WW2 type, is the a simple way to tell without getting the hack saw out??....
Im hoping the date stamp is sufficient? I have two of these

Rich