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Huge 80cm shell
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panzergranate
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hi StielGr,
the one in the front is a schwere Betongranate for the 60cm Mrser Karl without balistic cap. I think the other shell is an 80cm AP.
I read in a book that there was a Betongranate and a Panzergranate.
the one in the front is a schwere Betongranate for the 60cm Mrser Karl without balistic cap. I think the other shell is an 80cm AP.
I read in a book that there was a Betongranate and a Panzergranate.
Hi Pranzergranate
First a big welcome to the forum. It is good to have another continental European member.
Thankyou for the info about the 60cm Mrser Karl projectile.
Looking at the posts again I notice I made a mistake. Joerg said the recovered Hillersleben projectiles were "practice"
It that a b AP projectile then?
PC
First a big welcome to the forum. It is good to have another continental European member.
Thankyou for the info about the 60cm Mrser Karl projectile.
Looking at the posts again I notice I made a mistake. Joerg said the recovered Hillersleben projectiles were "practice"
It that a b AP projectile then?
PC
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panzergranate
Active Member
hi StielGr,
I think it is a proof shot. (Anschiessgranate) http://www.wk2ammo.com/showthread.php?t=3287
Here you can see a drawing of the 600mm schwere Betongr.:
http://www.one35th.com/morser/karl_hist.htm
I think it is a proof shot. (Anschiessgranate) http://www.wk2ammo.com/showthread.php?t=3287
Here you can see a drawing of the 600mm schwere Betongr.:
http://www.one35th.com/morser/karl_hist.htm
panzergranate
Active Member
the propellant for the 2170kg shell was inside the shell.
http://geraet040.web.infoseek.co.jp/karl_ammo-eng.html
Here is a photo of the 54cm Karl case:
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=379
http://geraet040.web.infoseek.co.jp/karl_ammo-eng.html
Here is a photo of the 54cm Karl case:
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=379
There must be thousands of threads on BOCN which we've forgotten about or which newer members simply have never stumbled across.
I liked this one, I guess many of us secretly hope that we will one day have such an item in our collection :tinysmile_hmm_t2:
Dave.
I liked this one, I guess many of us secretly hope that we will one day have such an item in our collection :tinysmile_hmm_t2:
Dave.
That photo is from the armed forces museum in Warshaw. Here are a couple of photos I took there in 2004 (not as good though):
Attachments
Books on the topic that I have (some also scanned to PDF):
"Eisenbahngeshtz DORA - Das grte Geschtz aller Zeiten" (Gerhard Taube, 1979. ISBN 3-87943-648-7 )
"Die Schwersten Steilfeuer-Geschtze 1914-1945 - Geheimwaffen 'Dicke Berta' und 'Karl'" (Gerhard Taube, 1981. ISBN 3-87943-811-0 )
"Allied-Axis - The Photo Journal of the Second World War Issue 09 - Karl-Gert 040 at the front"
"Panzer Tracts - Bertha's Big Brother - Karl Geraet (60cm) & (54cm) - The Super-Heavy Self-Propelled Mortar also known as Geraet 040-041 Nr.1 - VII" (Thomas L.Jentz, 2001. ISBN 0-9708407-2-1 )
"Panzer Tracts No.10 - Artillerie Selbstfahrlafetten - 15cm s.I.G.33 auf Pz.Kpfw.I (ohne Aufbau) to Karl-Geraet (54cm)" (Thomas L.Jentz, 2002. ISBN 0-9708407-5-6 )
"Waffen-Arsenal Band 016 - Deutsche Eisenbahngeschtze"
"Waffen-Arsenal Band 043 - Deutsche Schwere Mrser"
"Militaria 281 - Tank Power Vol.LIII - Gert 040-041 Karl Mrser" (ISBN 978-8-37219-281-3 )
"Heeresversuchsstelle Hillersleben" (Axel Turra, 1998. ISBN 978-3-89555-407-0 )
And some relevant scanned documents for download (note that these files will probably be removed at some point: PM me if a link is dead and you'd like a copy of the document):
ETO Ordnance Technical Intelligence Report No. 306 - German 32inch Railway Gun - 82cm 'Gustav' (or 'Dora') Geschutz (Eisenbahn) (1945) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...' (or 'Dora') Geschutz (Eisenbahn) (1945).pdf
ETO Ordnance Technical Intelligence Report No. 328 - German 54cm and 60cm Karlgert Self-Propelled Mortars (1945) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...m Karlgerät Self-Propelled Mortars (1945).pdf
Die deutsche Geheimwaffe 80cm (E) 'Dora' (complete article from 'Waffen Revue' Nos. 13-16 + 35) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...eheimwaffe 80cm (E) 'Dora' (Waffen Revue).pdf
C.I.O.S. Report Item No.2, File No.XXVIII-2 - Artillery Experimental Range Hillersleben (1945) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...ry Experimental Range Hillersleben (1945).pdf
"Eisenbahngeshtz DORA - Das grte Geschtz aller Zeiten" (Gerhard Taube, 1979. ISBN 3-87943-648-7 )
"Die Schwersten Steilfeuer-Geschtze 1914-1945 - Geheimwaffen 'Dicke Berta' und 'Karl'" (Gerhard Taube, 1981. ISBN 3-87943-811-0 )
"Allied-Axis - The Photo Journal of the Second World War Issue 09 - Karl-Gert 040 at the front"
"Panzer Tracts - Bertha's Big Brother - Karl Geraet (60cm) & (54cm) - The Super-Heavy Self-Propelled Mortar also known as Geraet 040-041 Nr.1 - VII" (Thomas L.Jentz, 2001. ISBN 0-9708407-2-1 )
"Panzer Tracts No.10 - Artillerie Selbstfahrlafetten - 15cm s.I.G.33 auf Pz.Kpfw.I (ohne Aufbau) to Karl-Geraet (54cm)" (Thomas L.Jentz, 2002. ISBN 0-9708407-5-6 )
"Waffen-Arsenal Band 016 - Deutsche Eisenbahngeschtze"
"Waffen-Arsenal Band 043 - Deutsche Schwere Mrser"
"Militaria 281 - Tank Power Vol.LIII - Gert 040-041 Karl Mrser" (ISBN 978-8-37219-281-3 )
"Heeresversuchsstelle Hillersleben" (Axel Turra, 1998. ISBN 978-3-89555-407-0 )
And some relevant scanned documents for download (note that these files will probably be removed at some point: PM me if a link is dead and you'd like a copy of the document):
ETO Ordnance Technical Intelligence Report No. 306 - German 32inch Railway Gun - 82cm 'Gustav' (or 'Dora') Geschutz (Eisenbahn) (1945) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...' (or 'Dora') Geschutz (Eisenbahn) (1945).pdf
ETO Ordnance Technical Intelligence Report No. 328 - German 54cm and 60cm Karlgert Self-Propelled Mortars (1945) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...m Karlgerät Self-Propelled Mortars (1945).pdf
Die deutsche Geheimwaffe 80cm (E) 'Dora' (complete article from 'Waffen Revue' Nos. 13-16 + 35) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...eheimwaffe 80cm (E) 'Dora' (Waffen Revue).pdf
C.I.O.S. Report Item No.2, File No.XXVIII-2 - Artillery Experimental Range Hillersleben (1945) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...ry Experimental Range Hillersleben (1945).pdf
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butterfly
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agree fantastic information Natter !!!
this on youtube...some good original footage and also an amazing model of the 80cm gun Dora!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2aImChiPo
regards Kev
this on youtube...some good original footage and also an amazing model of the 80cm gun Dora!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2aImChiPo
regards Kev
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I'm happy you found guys this interesting 
http://www.vonabt.co.uk/models/Dora/DoraBuild.htm
This project is also in the amazing category i think:
http://www.vonabt.co.uk/models/Dora/DoraBuild.htm
It would probably just take 50 million to get the production just started. I don't know much about manufacturing but first you have the design phase and then you would need all the new foundry and milling machinery and the heavy lifting equipment and a production site for all this to take place.
The cost of the new RN aircraft carriers is 6.2 billion and they already have all the facilities so I would estimate a new Dora to about 500 million.
PC
The cost of the new RN aircraft carriers is 6.2 billion and they already have all the facilities so I would estimate a new Dora to about 500 million.
PC
