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    Getting there I just need a few confirming please by the experts

    Is E for Eley or Enfield

    Is P Perry & Co Ltd. or Charles H Pugh Ltd

    and any help with ydnum303 little lot???

    Richard

    Other codes that I am not sure of are: V Vickers?, W Woolwich? R Radway? AS in Box, B in a circle, JP joined, small case g Mk II w/nib.
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    303 chargers

    Thought I would post some more charger manufacturers ~ not sure who made some of them, have put the code and the Mark No.

    P&S MK4
    IV S and S III
    NE IV (I believe this is from New Zealand)
    H in circle IV
    IV M/175
    III F
    H&S Mk4
    IV K-B
    O III
    Broad Arrow in circle II without nib (Canadian, Dominion?)
    Broad Arrow in C IV (Canadian, Dominion?)
    GM I to GM V (bottom RH corner) 1945 contract Giollo Martinelli, all Mark III
    Arrow over I MK4 KF. Kirkee India

    Quite a few stamped as Mk IV are the later Mk 4 style. If you collect variations of the stampings, some have inverted stamps and some, particularly GC (Gramophone Co.) were slack in stamping the codes vertically.

    Les

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    Quote Originally Posted by relbut View Post
    Thought I would post some more charger manufacturers ~ not sure who made some of them, have put the code and the Mark No.

    P&S MK4
    IV S and S III
    NE IV (I believe this is from New Zealand)
    H in circle IV
    IV M/175
    III F
    H&S Mk4
    IV K-B
    O III
    Broad Arrow in circle II without nib (Canadian, Dominion?)
    Broad Arrow in C IV (Canadian, Dominion?)
    GM I to GM V (bottom RH corner) 1945 contract Giollo Martinelli, all Mark III
    Arrow over I MK4 KF. Kirkee India

    Quite a few stamped as Mk IV are the later Mk 4 style. If you collect variations of the stampings, some have inverted stamps and some, particularly GC (Gramophone Co.) were slack in stamping the codes vertically.

    Les
    Many thanks I will add to growing list, can you clarify a few things for me please as I am a novice-

    GM I to GM V (bottom RH corner) 1945 contract Giollo Martinelli, all Mark III - what do you mean by GMI to GMV

    Broad Arrow in C IV (Canadian, Dominion?) - could the C be a bad circle stamp and not a C ??

    Arrow over I MK4 KF. Kirkee India - is KF or Arrow over I the makers stamp


    & why are some marked IV & others with the number 4 what is the difference?

    cheers
    Richard.

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    Chargers

    To answer a few of your questions.

    The Italian chargers marked GM I to GM V are not British and therefore do not follow British marking practice. I suspect the number identifies the machine used to make the charger. It is not a mark number.

    It is definitely a broad Arrow within a "C". This is the Canadian government ownership mark equivalent to the British Broad Arrow. This is found on all Canadian equipment, including most .303 cartridges

    "KF" (for Kirkee) is the maker and the arrow over "I" is the pre-independence Indian government ownership mark, just like the "C for Canada above. It was introduced in 1895 for all Indian Army equipment, again including small arms ammunition.

    The British system of Mark numbers was changed in 1945 from Roman to Indo-arabic numerals, so "IV" is pre 1945 and "4" is post 1945.

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    Many thanks Tony, I hope you dont mind me checking things with you as I want them 100% correct for the website.

    So is a broad arrow within a circle correct as well or is this a "C"

    the GM stamps are there 5 different chargers with each GMI, GMII, GMIII, GMIV or GMV

    Is E for Eley or Enfield

    Is P Perry & Co Ltd. or Charles H Pugh Ltd

    Other codes that I am not sure of are: V Vickers?, W Woolwich? R Radway? AS in Box, B in a circle, JP joined, small case g Mk II w/nib.

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    Talking C broad arrow

    Here is a Canadian Mk III clip... with the C /|\
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    303 Chargers

    Re TonyE's comments and MissingSomething's photos re the "broad arrow in C" and found that I had misinterpreted what I thought was a "broad arrow in O" as closer inspection of an enlarged photo showed it to be a "C" (attachment). Therefore scratch the "broad arrow in O".
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    Quote Originally Posted by relbut View Post
    Re TonyE's comments and MissingSomething's photos re the "broad arrow in C" and found that I had misinterpreted what I thought was a "broad arrow in O" as closer inspection of an enlarged photo showed it to be a "C" (attachment). Therefore scratch the "broad arrow in O".

    No problems this is why I am trying to be so thorough, I know it might seem I am asking a lot of questions and going over a few things twice but we dont have a current full list for charger and this is to go on the .303 website when launched so I want everything to be correct.

    Any more charger photo's would be very helpful as well

    thanks everyone again.

    Richard.

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    list so far

    Well this is the list so far still gaps so if anyone can help please let me know and any charger photo's would be a great help too so I can show a photo of each stamp with the name.

    Richard.
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    Hi Guy's
    I went through my ammo and on Canadian .303 MkVII Ammo charges are stamped MkIV B in a Circle The Ammo is DI 45 VIIZ DI = Defence Industries Ltd. CIL Montreal. Mag from a Long Branch Rifle also have B in a circle on the platform.
    Cheers Gerry

 

 
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