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    Is it a ELAZ 25B or a ELAZ 50B

    A while ago there was a discussion here on the forum regardingd a ELAZ 25 marked with a Y. Some said that the Y stands for the ELAZ 50. Well I think I found the hard evidence that it is correct. I found a ELAZ 25 B marked with a Y in a collection and you clearly can see that the upperbody is from a ELAZ 50, also the side of the fuze is marked 50B. Unfortunately the lower part of the fuze was empty. Any opinions.
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    What a find is number one on the list! Congratulations as thats a stunner!

    Mucho confusion with the 'Cpp' and 'Y' configurations in past threads regarding type 9 and 55 fuzes.
    However,on this occasion the evidence is as clear as a bell. That is deffo a top from a 50B as far as im aware.
    Thank you for showing it.

    best

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    Last edited by waffenamt; 11th February 2010 at 04:35 PM.

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    hi,
    I'm no expert on this but as I understand it the 'Y' mark on the fuze head of a 25 or 50 fuze indicated it as a booby trap fuze incorporating mercury switches.
    Bomb disposal manuals and written accounts clearly state that this Y mark was found on the type 25 fuze head.
    However hard evidence suggests that it was the 50 fuze that had the Y mark.
    I have a small wartime manual that says the Y mark could be found on both the 25 and 50 fuzes. As yet I believe no-one has found a complete example of a type 25 with Y markings complete with the mercury switches. All complete examples containing the mercury switches and the Y markings up to now are the type 50.
    However I also beleive that an x-ray photo recently came to light clearly showing a Y- marked 25 fuze containing mercury switches.

    The fuze head shown by Blu clearly shows the markings and switch of a type 25 fuze on the head. Could this be the top part of a 25 Y fuze ??

    Maybe someone could photograph the top parts of the standard type 25 and 50 for comparison to the images shown.

    I will just say again I am no expert in this area, I am just putting down the facts as I understand them - right or wrong. I am sure there are people with better understanding of what exactly the markings signify.

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    Nice find there blu looks like its the hard evidence.
    Well done on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madbomber31 View Post
    Nice find there blu looks like its the hard evidence.
    Well done on this one.

    Right on MB,glad you posted on this thread.

    What are your thoughts on this one please fellas?

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    I would guess it has been modified to "D"-version from some of A to C versions??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmine35 View Post
    I would guess it has been modified to "D"-version from some of A to C versions??

    Thanks T,
    There is a mysterious looking Y on the head as well? Also,note how the ELAZ is made?

    cheers
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    Last edited by waffenamt; 12th February 2010 at 10:08 AM.

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    Thanks T,
    There is a mysterious looking Y on the head as well? Also,note how the ELAZ is made?

    cheers
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    Hi waff,

    From my understanding, the Y marking was used as a modification mark on fuzes, which explains why it is found on the type 9 fuzes etc. I think this is also the case with the type 25 you show in your picture, as T-Mine35 has said it looks like a modification - hence the mark.

    The fuze head that blu has originally posted looks indeed as evidence of a 25 'Y' fuze, (ie booby trap) as indicated by Madbomber.

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    Here is some information from a wartime BD publication with reference to markings on the fuze head for the 'Y' fuze.

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    intresting note about the two dots before the Elaz marking- hadn't noticed these before, but definately on blu's fuze in photo!!!!!!!

    regards
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    Last edited by butterfly; 13th February 2010 at 10:48 AM. Reason: observation

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    Good info there Kev,the plot thickens!

    Only way i would reckon it was a deffo Y fuze if i had one in my hands would be the length of the fuze. I would have thought any Y fuze should be as long as a 17? Just a theory of course!

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