Thread: help with .303 canandian drill round please

I am tempted to say "If you know a better 'ole..."

The Canadian U-LP seems to have come with and without holes in the case. I cannot remember whether mine has holes or not, I will check and report back.

Temple in his Part 3 certainly records it as with holes.

Regards
tonyE

thanks any news on the article you were going to email me and hows book 2 coming along

Richard.

Inevitably, after saying I have the article already scanned I cannot find it!

I will rescan it tomorrow and get it off to you. Book 2 on the .303 is on hold at the moment as I need to get out to the US to check a couple of large collections. It will probably be done towards the end of the year.

Regards
TonyE

No problem
many thanks
Richard.

Hi Guys,

I have 15 WW2 Canadian Drill Rounds similar to these as well (two differnet types). None of which have any drill holes on the cases' sides. However, they all have CN or chrome plated cases with three long and equally spaced indents running along the length of the cases' side. All appear to have the CN FMJ bullet.

3 of these rounds have red paint in these case indents and in their primer wells. I found out somewhere on the internet that these are Royal Canadian Air Force Drill Rounds.

I have 13 of these similar to the ones above except they do not have any of the red paint.

All are headstamped CAC-broadarrow 1944 or 1942 (or mixture thereof). I'm unable to confirm headstamp info at this time as I'm away from home on Christmas/New Years Holidays. Can confirm when I get back home though.

I might be able to post some pics at a later date with some assistance of members (never done before).

I also have 5 post WW1 Drill Rounds (1919, 1922, 1923). There similar in design (some or all have signs of red paint). Unfortuneately these have been polished. Cases show some eveidence of tin coating.

I hope this is of some help to you.

Send me a PM if you wish pics when I get back home.

Cheers and all the best!

Keyan (kajn65)

kajn65 - the rounds you have are drill rounds as you say, not inspectors' rounds like the ones under discussion. See my previous post on the difference. As a rule of thumb, anything with flutes in the case is a drill round, not a dummy.

Drill rounds are notoriously difficult to identify exactly, as apart from the dozen or so officially adopted types there is a plethora of expedient, Local Pattern and unofficial types that found their way into service.

From your description, the WW2 dated rounds are "Cartridge S.A. Drill D.1942 Canadian Pattern" (I presume the headstamp you quote was a typo and it should be "DAC" and not "CAC"? "CAC is New Zealand only at that date.)

Those dated post WWI are "Cartridge S.A. Dummy Drill .303-inch Mark VI (Canadian Pattern)" and were introduced around 1919.

As you will notice, before the new nomenclature was introduced in 1927, what we now call drill rounds were titled "Dummy Drill" and inspectors' dummies were "Dummy Inspectors".

Just to confuse, you understand....!

Regards
TonyE

Hi TonyE,

Yes, that was a typo on my part. It should have been "DAC" not "CAC" as I indicated. My appologies.

As to your last part ... yes, I do understand.

I also have some WW2 British undated drill rounds from Royal Labratories. One is R L VI*, most are R L VI. I have 2 others are R L Z, DMkVII (if I remember correctly). I'd have to be home to double check all my headstampings, both Canadian and my British.

Would you know the differences between my three different WW2 British Drill rounds from Royal Labratories spec-wise? I don't see any difference.

Rgs...Keyan (kajn65)

Post the details and I wil do my best to ID them for you.

Regards
TonyE