help with .303 canandian drill round please

**peashooter** · 18th August 2010, 11:14 PM

Can anyone help with a Canadian drill round please.

Head stamp - DAC "C with arrow in" 40 LP U

Now I know - Dominion Arsenal, Quebec, Canada. Year is 1940 & U is Dummy

I know they made Drill, D Mk 6 and D Mk 9, Drill D 1942 (Canadian Pattern) so which is it and what is LP

Cheers

Richard.

**archmoco** · 18th August 2010, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by peashooter

Can anyone help with a Canadian drill round please.

Head stamp - DAC "C with arrow in" 40 LP U

Now I know - Dominion Arsenal, Quebec, Canada. Year is 1940 & U is Dummy

I know they made Drill, D Mk 6 and D Mk 9, Drill D 1942 (Canadian Pattern) so which is it and what is LP

Cheers

Richard.

I'm not too sure on the MK but I think 'LP' is local pattern. Also 'U', I think that is for Inspectors round

Regards
Michael

**MissingSomething** · 18th August 2010, 11:55 PM

Most drill rounds were made from "seconds" cases and may have mis-stamped headstamps or headstamps from the original "loadings" until the case failed to pass inspection and were made into drill rounds or blanks.

could the "LP" be a "GP" just not stamped well?

Could you photo the headstamp?

Others more knowledgeable will pipe up I'm sure...

**peashooter** · 19th August 2010, 12:17 AM

Here is the head stamp

**Fr Cdn AT** · 19th August 2010, 08:21 AM

Hi,

Not 100% sure but I think LP stand for "Limited Procurement".

Cheers.
FCAT.

**TonyE** · 19th August 2010, 08:35 AM

Archmoco is right. The Canadian U-LP is "Inspectors', Local Pattern".

It differs from the official U Mark V which was the service dummy at the time in a number of ways. It uses a tinned ordinary case, not a white metal one, has four holes in the case like a drill round and an empty cap chamber instead of a blind one without anvil or fire holes.

There are other examples of "Local Pattern" items, mostly drill rounds. I have a Canadian .55 Drill made of cast aluminium headstamped "C DA DI LP", i.e. Drill Mark I Local Pattern.

Another example I have of a local Pattern round is the Australian .303 drill made by Die casters with a pot metal body and a steel head. Although not headstamped these are Drill Local Pattern Mark I.

There are also many rounds specific to India which have "I.P.", India Pattern in the nomenclature.

Regards
Tonye

**Fr Cdn AT** · 19th August 2010, 08:48 AM

Hi TonyE,

I thought "U" meant dummy??
Sorry... can not find anything on LP on my ref's...
Cheers
FCAT.

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**TonyE** · 19th August 2010, 09:24 AM

Yes, "U" does mean Dummy. I am not sure what your question is, but the term "Dummy" in British and Commonwealth nomenclature (post 1926) means an inert round that replicates the live service store in terms of weight and shape. It is to be used by armourers and inspectors (as your document shows) for the inspection and adjustment of weapons.

The correct nomenclature for the U Mark V was "Cartridge S.A. Dummy .303 inch Inspectors U Mark V." In the UK such rounds are colloquially refered to simply as "Inspectors".

Modern British nomenclature has been simplified to "Round, Inspection, Lxxxx".

Rounds that were intended purely for training troops in the handling of their weapons are Drill rounds and were coded "D". They did not need to replicate live rounds and in fact were made to be as distinguishable as possible from them in order to avoid accidents.

Regards
TonyE

**Fr Cdn AT** · 19th August 2010, 09:54 AM

OK... I think I get what you are trying to say... missread your last post.
Sorry, did not wanted to start an argument... It's kinda late here... lol
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