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    Italian WW2 Wood Box Mine

    Hello, here is my example of the Italian box mine that I have just completed with the correct type fuze. I finally found one of these fuzes with the help of a good friend. Thanks Roberto!

    The question is, has anyone seen these two wooden pieces that are inside the mine? The mine came from Germany about a year ago, and these 2 wood parts were inside ???

    I think maybe they do not belong with this mine, and just something that a previous collector installed in it for some reason?

    Or maybe they were used for a some type of small training charge?
    If they do not belong in the mine and are not something original, I want to remove them. Thanks in advance for any opinions, help or info.
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    Hi Steve,

    Don't dispose the wooden blocks !
    They are the adapters (support) for a cilindrical smoke charge for this training version of "Mina R" (this is one of the real names of this ordnance).
    You can recognize the training version by the two small holes on the pressure cover and the presence of the wooden blocks.

    Ciao
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    Saluti Stecol, OK, thanks for the info. I had thought that all the WW2 Italian box mines had 2 holes in the top lid. All the mines that I have seen have the two holes?

    I thought the 2 holes were also in the lid of HE mine? for a string to hold and help support the fuze ?

    Do you think these two wood pieces in the mine are WW2 era or post war made?

    Do you, or maybe someone else have any pictures or drawings what the cylindrical practice smoke charge would have looked like?

    I am glad I kept the 2 wood pieces, I would not have disposed of them, I always keep everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilroy was Here View Post
    Saluti Stecol, OK, thanks for the info. I had thought that all the WW2 Italian box mines had 2 holes in the top lid. All the mines that I have seen have the two holes?
    Hi Steve,

    They have the two holes because they are all training mines. Actually I never seen the "war" variant on the market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kilroy was Here View Post
    I thought the 2 holes were also in the lid of HE mine? for a string to hold and help support the fuze ?
    Sometimes there was a string thru the holes, but I think it was an help to lift the cover (see the photo).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kilroy was Here View Post
    Do you think these two wood pieces in the mine are WW2 era or post war made?
    Almost surely post war, so the training version of the Mina R.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kilroy was Here View Post
    Do you, or maybe someone else have any pictures or drawings what the cylindrical practice smoke charge would have looked like?
    I'm sorry but I can't help You. I'm looking for info and/or images about this item since 2002, but i didn't find nothing.

    Regards
    stecol

    P.S: The original (extended) name of the "Mina R" is:
    "Mina a pressione contro bersagli animati modello 42"
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    Quote Originally Posted by stecol View Post
    Hi Steve,

    They have the two holes because they are all training mines. Actually I never seen the "war" variant on the market.

    Sometimes there was a string thru the holes, but I think it was an help to lift the cover (see the photo).

    Almost surely post war, so the training version of the Mina R.

    I'm sorry but I can't help You. I'm looking for info and/or images about this item since 2002, but i didn't find nothing.

    Regards
    stecol

    P.S: The original (extended) name of the "Mina R" is:
    "Mina a pressione contro bersagli animati modello 42"




    Hi Stecol, Thank you for the information you have learned about these mines. I appreciate you sharing this info.

    Where these mines also used post war? I did not think these were also used after WW2?

    Maybe you will someday find this practice smoke charge, and can post it here for us to see.
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    Hi Steve,

    From my info the mina R was not used abroad, but it remained in service with Italian Army till seventies.
    If and when I'll find info or pictures on smoke carge, I'll post them, be sure !

    Regards
    stecol

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    ciao stecol

    just ask!!
    here my R and RM mine

    you can see th smoke charghe too.

    both charge are dummy, concrete filled.
    note the igniter on R mine it's bad inserted.

    best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by stecol View Post
    Hi Steve,

    From my info the mina R was not used abroad, but it remained in service with Italian Army till seventies.
    If and when I'll find info or pictures on smoke carge, I'll post them, be sure !

    Regards
    stecol

    Thanks Stecol. I did not know the mines were used until 70's!
    Our friend "fert" has now shown the mysterious smoke charges!

    Best Regards, Steve..............Stefano

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    Quote Originally Posted by fert View Post
    ciao stecol

    just ask!!
    here my R and RM mine

    you can see th smoke charghe too.

    both charge are dummy, concrete filled.
    note the igniter on R mine it's bad inserted.

    best regards

    Ahhhhhh......Very good pictures, Thank you very much fert!!

    The smoke charges are very interesting to see. You are lucky to have them.

    This has become a very good thread.....
    Just Ask......and you shall receive!

    Are your two mines R & RM you show from an Italian Museum?

    My friend here in the US has a mine exactly like yours with the "small metal number disc" attached to the top lid.

    I think maybe my friends mine, and your 2 mines are from a Museum?

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    Fert is GREAT !

    The item numbered "5" is a real war variant (without the smoke vent holes) of the rarest "Mina RM".

    stecol

 

 
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