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    Let's Discuss: Post WWII most 'hideous' AP mines

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    Last edited by Dragontooth; 7th January 2011 at 12:13 PM.

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    mines,

    Hi Dragontooth,my oppinion about mines is,all mines are indiscriminate weapons,an anti tank mine will explode under a vehicle of either side in the conflict just as an anti personnel mine will explode regardless of who sets it off,they become "hideous"when they are set off by civillians especially children,if one side of the conflict bans the use of them and the other side continues to use them nothing is gained by banning them,if all sides agree to ban them,are you able to trust the word of the of all sides that they are not still producing them,they are perhaps a nescesary,an effective area denial weapon,another point to consider is for instance during the Bosnia war,both sides inflicted hideous cruelty on the "enemy"civillian population and soldiers with chainsaws axes even sledgehammers,it may be possible to reduce or even ban AP mines altogether but there are many other ways to inflict horrendous injuries to "innocent"parties,mines are evil weapons no matter who plants them,I have the utmost respect for the Deminers and EOD personnel and sympathy for the victims of such weapons and the deaths and injuries that occur when the conflict moves on leaving such evil indiscriminate weapons in its wake,I think it will be a case of "talk peace but carry a big stick "for many years to come,mines in some evil form or other will be around for a long time,Regards,Don,

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    Good points. I agree.
    However, if you can tell me some models of mines you find especially questionable...see post 1.

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    Dragontooth,
    Questionable? Hideous?

    With all due respect and no animosity, I think you have the wrong forum. Weapons are generally designed to hurt/kill people, that is a given. This is bad, we all understand this. Those who work/have worked in this field know it better than any. However, there are plenty of other sites that will go on and on about just how bad the different weapons are and which and why they should be banned. But this is not, or at least in the past has not been one of them.

    Explosive ordnance is a science. It involves history, design, analysis and understanding. This is something that people on this site work at, and a subject interest that the members share to different degrees. We work with facts, discuss opinions on design purposes and seek/share information. Normally we try not to dramatize our discussions with word like hideous, questionable, etc. Instead we concentrate on how it worked, when it was deployed, where, how it is found, variations, etc. Personally, I prefer it that way.

    Again with no hard feelings, at times I question your motivation. Many of your questions come across as from an outsider, looking for information that can be manipulated and used for different purposes. You do not seem to me to be a collector, one who works in the field, or a typical researcher that has one or two questions and goes there own way. People on this forum give their information and opinions freely, but with the general feeling that they are doing this with like minded individuals, not just someone looking for a quote, or support for a position paper they are writing.
    All dug or live ordnance shown in my posts is under EOD control and has been or will be dealt with accordingly by EOD personnel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragontooth View Post
    I am talking about nonmetallic, hard to detect mines, with antihandling devices, bounding / fragmentation / incendiary possibly. Or what do you think?

    And anything from the USA or Germany very interesting.

    My first shot: the M14- it's all plastic, i.e. hard to detect and creates plastic fragments which are close to impossible to detect in Xray.

    Please also see the UN CCW:
    http://www.unog.ch/80256EE600585943/(httpPages)/4F0DEF093B4860B4C1257180004B1B30?OpenDocument

    Let's hear your opinions, experts.Dave
    Hello!
    If you told about mine, which were useing in WWII, then you made a mistake. M14 didn`t useing in WWII.
    Very popular were russian mine type PMD-6. Many country, and Germany too, used this mine.
    Or you waht to talk and about modern mines???

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    Wink whoopsie

    OK, sorry if I came across that way, really. I didn't mean hideous per se, just most difficult to detect, demine and utilize various kill mechanisms.

    I have nothing to do with any Commie peaceniks, I think they are quite silly.
    Ordnance is designed to destroy obviously...we should start from scratch, so go ahead and close this thread if you like.

    I am a collector with special interest in the manufacture process of munitions...just finding the data is hard so I look here. Honestly the way these ordnance pieces work fascinates me. I've been misunderstood.

    Jeff, if you could just IM me back that would be nice. And BTW, Prokosch is a dumb liberal punk. America has fought many great battles against evil...some do not understand this.

    Now, let's move on. No hard feelings, Jeff. ;-)
    Dave

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    Dragontooth,
    Questionable? Hideous?

    With all due respect and no animosity, I think you have the wrong forum. Weapons are generally designed to hurt/kill people, that is a given. This is bad, we all understand this. Those who work/have worked in this field know it better than any. However, there are plenty of other sites that will go on and on about just how bad the different weapons are and which and why they should be banned. But this is not, or at least in the past has not been one of them.

    Explosive ordnance is a science. It involves history, design, analysis and understanding. This is something that people on this site work at, and a subject interest that the members share to different degrees. We work with facts, discuss opinions on design purposes and seek/share information. Normally we try not to dramatize our discussions with word like hideous, questionable, etc. Instead we concentrate on how it worked, when it was deployed, where, how it is found, variations, etc. Personally, I prefer it that way.

    Again with no hard feelings, at times I question your motivation. Many of your questions come across as from an outsider, looking for information that can be manipulated and used for different purposes. You do not seem to me to be a collector, one who works in the field, or a typical researcher that has one or two questions and goes there own way. People on this forum give their information and opinions freely, but with the general feeling that they are doing this with like minded individuals, not just someone looking for a quote, or support for a position paper they are writing.

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    Mines,

    Hi Dragontooth,I know very little about technicalities of mines,mines are designed to do a job on the battlefield,the main aim of mines is area denial,if a soldier is injured by a mine,it sets off a chain reaction that involves medics,deminers,map makers etc,and the mined area has to be avoided,which can result in troops being funnelled into a killing zone which will result in many more casualties,the more difficult a mine is to detect and disarm the longer the area is denied as more specialised equipment is called for with the attendant personnell,so one small AP mine can cause disruption to an advancing army,plus the time to find an alternative route and avoid being funnelled into killing zones,which all takes time which will result in the attack/invasion being blunted and valuable resources being diverted,the only time I ever came into contact with an AP mine was during my time in Aden in the RAF,"up country",the IO explained to us about such mines,(Russian origin)about 3"dia,designed to injure and take up valuable resources plus area denial,so my technical knowledge of mines is very limited,Don,

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    this is one from my collection.
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    Last edited by Darrol; 27th November 2010 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrol View Post
    this is one from my collection.
    In this mine have there are metal parts, and not a little

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    but they did have anti handling and when they were armed they stayed armed .

 

 
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