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14.5x51mm spotter

Last NVBMB meeting I've acquired a 14,5mm spotter, red nose with L* stamped in the lead, headstamp "14,5x51 DAG", the case stencelling unfortunately faded. I've disassembled the cartridge and found out that the projectile has a thick, turned brass tracer cup in the rear and a smoke charge in front of that. There is no intern fuze whatsoever. Does anybody know how the smoke charge is activated? The tracer mixture is in the separate brass cup and so unable to ignite the smoke charge.

Regards,
Thijs.
 
Many thanks Spotter,
are you still looking for the missing pieces for yours? I never imagined the 'gun' for these rounds was so small!

Cheers
Tony
 
Thijs said:
Last NVBMB meeting I've acquired a 14,5mm spotter, red nose with L* stamped in the lead, headstamp "14,5x51 DAG", the case stencelling unfortunately faded. I've disassembled the cartridge and found out that the projectile has a thick, turned brass tracer cup in the rear and a smoke charge in front of that. There is no intern fuze whatsoever. Does anybody know how the smoke charge is activated? The tracer mixture is in the separate brass cup and so unable to ignite the smoke charge.

Regards,
Thijs.
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would think if your version has a red tip it would be a tracer only,could you also check your brass tracer cup with a magnet as all five that I pulled apart for the parts are brass washed steel.

Cheers
Tony
 
Hi Tony,

Thanks for your reply. The cup is definitely brass, not steel.

The smoke composition that came out of the steel tube consists of both very fine black powder and larger-grained crystalline white powder. It might be possible that the two different powder types were separated from each other in the tube and were mixed during disassembly.
 
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smle2009 said:
Many thanks Spotter,
are you still looking for the missing pieces for yours? I never imagined the 'gun' for these rounds was so small!

Cheers
Tony
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Hi Tony thanks for the offer,,but dont have my collection anymore,other than a few small items..
 
Just been reading through on these and it says there are Two types, one is percussion the other has a time delay,other than this extra drawing i cant find much more than what has already been covered
 

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Thanks Spot,
that's a great diagram would you mind if I copied it for my files? don't suppose you have the legend too:bigsmile:

Cheers
Tony
 
im having a little trouble finding and robbing the legend ,,heres another for now
 

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Hereby a scan of the sectioned projectile. It's not finished yet but all the loose parts are in.

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Another piece of information. All of the photos, diagrams, references, and examples that I have seen always mention or show the tip of the projectile being yellow regardless if they are the impact detonated or the projectiles with either the 3 or 6 second timed delay. I have some of the impact detonated projectiles (M183A1) (the projectiles only) and they all have red on the tips. I assume that this was done by some individual or individuals after being released into the public domain but the paint looks too original to have been an over paint or repaint. Has anybody else ever encountered this?
 
@ Mausernut: nice website, I'll put it in my bookmarks! However, the cartridge on this site (14,5x20R) is the predecessor of the 14,5x51R as treated in this topic. It's a different cartridge.

@ jrpett: do you mean red paint over the yellow paint? There is a cartridge like that displayed on the Municion website. It's indicated as marker with tracer, percussion fuze type.
 
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color coding was for identification as to wether it was a 3 or 6 second delay the ground marker round has a different color tip
I have red tip and yellow let me dig around and I know there was a set up for auction on either GB or specialist auctions not to long ago
 
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