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    Hi
    Here my first post about the shell show by Mineaz16 http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/thread...ight=15cm+fuze
    Realy i've found two 15cm shells with this strange fuze in Somme and Pas de Calais areas
    At the beginning, i think about belgium or russian shell but now i can give you more explanation about my thought.
    In a belgium doc, there is a fuze for 7.5 cm 1906 shell stamped on O and V like the last fuze, see picture and whith the same external look.
    In the belgium doc ther also a fuze for 12 and 15 cm shell whitch look strangely the same but copy is too bad and not measurements on
    On right the 7.5 cm belgium fuze, Strange you don't think so?
    The two fuzes found on the same area, and i've found a 15 cm again last year


    I think that it's realy Belgium shell and fuze use by german army and don't think export shellfuze1.jpgfuze2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor View Post
    Hi
    Here my first post about the shell show by Mineaz16 http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/thread...ight=15cm+fuze
    Realy i've found two 15cm shells with this strange fuze in Somme and Pas de Calais areas
    At the beginning, i think about belgium or russian shell but now i can give you more explanation about my thought.
    In a belgium doc, there is a fuze for 7.5 cm 1906 shell stamped on O and V like the last fuze, see picture and whith the same external look.
    In the belgium doc ther also a fuze for 12 and 15 cm shell whitch look strangely the same but copy is too bad and not measurements on
    On right the 7.5 cm belgium fuze, Strange you don't think so?
    The two fuzes found on the same area, and i've found a 15 cm again last year


    I think that it's realy Belgium shell and fuze use by german army and don't think export shellfuze1.jpgfuze2.jpg

    What's are the references of your belgian doc, Doctor ?


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    Hi Yoda
    Artillerie de forteresse
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    Bruxelles Guyot freres editeurs
    1913

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    Effectively, the marking is very similar ! ..... but it's not our fuzes !

    Let us looking further !


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    @Doctor: your fuzes are also Krupp export fuzes for 7,5 cm shells which were used by many different countries. The fuzes without any factory stamp are 99% made by Krupp. The EP marked are also mostly exact copies of Krupp models, but made in license by Belgium. Thank you for showing them - very interesting.

    the markings on the fuzes are:

    O (or 0) = Ohne (or 0 Zero) Verzögerung (without delay)
    T = Transport (Secure setting for transport)
    V = Verzögerung (Delay)

    Not sure if there are some french words which would fit too?

    Depending on the country the letters on these fuzes are different. I also know them with dutch, cyrillic (Bulgaria) and spanish letters (Chile for example)

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    @Yodamaster: it's not the same shell, because it's a dutch Krupp 12 cm shell, but it is same construction with same construction fuze (it's just having a small lever instead a cap to set the delay):
    Minengranate.png

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    and here one fuze which it dutch too, but also same internal construction as on Yodamasters or Doctors shell:

    Schokbuis No.8.jpg

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    for Doctor's smaller Krupp fuze for 7,5 cm Shells I remember to have a drawing, but after 2 hours of searching I now give up...

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    Hi thank you Alpini for showing
    you're right about krupp they have also export the first N°80 GB fuze for example
    But let me show my doc here about my fuze for 75 mm for belgium quick firing gun (shell and fuze) and the other fuze which look like mine , same internal system but not the same by some external characteristic of construction
    I know there is not the tipical stamp of EP but i'm sure it's from belgium (certainly Krupp contract like you say)
    Sorry for bad picture my scanner is out :=(
    Very interesting reseach i like that there is a long time i wait for.....File0001.jpgFile0002.jpgFile0003.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by MINENAZ16 View Post
    Hello,

    EOD personnel found on a French WW1 battlefield (Somme) a 15cm shell (looks like a German 15cm Gr14 - length without fuze 435mm) with a strange fuze.
    This fuze seems to have a Krupp design (like Belgian or Danish fuzes).
    Severals markings : O T V and an arrow. (no EP marking)
    Someone have an idea ?
    Thanks.

    Any Live or Dug ordnance shown by me has been disposed of by EOD personnel


    Attachment 65352


    Attachment 65348Attachment 65349Attachment 65350Attachment 65351

    Hi,
    Thanks everybody.
    To resume :
    -Impact fuze (Direct or Delay) Krupp Design
    -Shell 15cm used by German in WW1 French Battlefield. Spoil of war ? From wich Country ?

 

 
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