WWI German ammunition MG (belted)

[Mark Finneran]

I am sure it is covered somewhere here so any guidance welcome. I would like to identify my beltedt ammunition for the WWI German MGs please? I understand what S67 means or a stand alone S, but amongst the 400 or so inert rounds there are some unusual markings/makers/dates. All years are covered and I have DM and P but also S* and what looks like traditional inspector stamps, ie a German U and D. Plus possibly RK reversed. Thanks. Mark

 

[Mark Finneran]

To add more confusion the reversed R could be a R and a M and an F joined together. Plus makers C and GM on other dated rounds.
Thanks
Mark

 

[TonyE]

Mark

The standard German headstamp layout was manufacturer, month, year and "S" or "S67" for the case type. There were no inspectors' stamps on normal SAA.

The manufacturers' codes were:
C - Kassel
D - Dresden
DM - Deutsche Waffen & Munitionsfabriken, Karlsruhe
Do - Dormheim, Suhl
E - Gothic script. Ingolstadt (steel cases)
E & G - Enrich & Graetz, Altena
G - Wurttembergische Matallwarrenfabrik, Geislingen
Ge - Gustav Genschow, Durlach
GM - Metallwerk J. Goeggi & Sohn, Munchen-Moosach
H - Rheinische metalwarenfabrik, Dusseldorf-Derendorf
N - Huck, Nurenberg
N & S - Niebecker & Schumacher, Solingen
OS - Obersleisische Sprengstoff AG, Lignose, Schonebeck a.d.Elbe
P - Polte, Magdeburg-Sudenburg
PMF - joined as a monogram, Powder & ammunition factory, Dachau
S - Spandau
SB - Sellier & Bellot, Schonbeck a.d. Elbe
UN - Rheinische-Westfallen Sprengstoff, formerly Utendoerffer, Nuremberg

Regards
TonyE

 

[Dutch]

Tony, must make some aditions/corrections on your list. Manufacturer of cases and cartridge 88 and cartridge 98 from 1888 to 1919
A		Unknown (possibly AEG, Berlin)
B		Arthur Krupp, Berndorf
C		Munitions-Fabrik Cassel
D		Kniglich Schsisch Arsenal, Dresden
DM		Deutsche Metallpatronenfabrik, Karlsruhe, use to be L = Lorenz
Do		G.C. Dornheim, Suhl
E & G		Ehrich & Graetz, Berlin
F		Frister & Rossmann, Berlin
G		WMF, Geislingen/Steige
GD /Ge		G. Genschow, Durlach
GM		Metallwarenfabrik Gggl, Moosach/Mnchen
GR		Georg Roth, Wien
H		Rheinische Metallwarenfabrik, Dsseldorf
HN		H. Huck, Nrnberg
J		Hauptlaboratorium Jngolstadt (Gothic)
K		Keller & Co, Hirtenberg
L		Lindner Zndhtchen- u. Thonwarenfabrik, Linden/Hannover
L		Lorenz (DWM), Karlsruhe (1889-1893)
MW		Munitions-Werke Schnebeck / Elbe
N,n		Huck., Nrnberg
N & S		Niebecker & Schumacher, Iserlohn
OS		Oberschlesische A.G.,
P		Polte, Magdeburg
PMF		Pulver- und Munitions-Fabrik, Dachau
S		Munitionsfabrik Spandau
SB		Sellier & Bellot, Werk Schnebeck/Elbe
T		Rheinisch Westflische Sprenstoff A.G., Werk Troisdorf
UN		Utendrffer, Nrnberg
120 H.S.		Gewehr Prfungs Commission

Rgds
Dutch

 

[TonyE]

Thanks for that.

My list came from Dieter Storz's book on the G.98.

Regards
TonyE

 

[Mark Finneran]

Tony and Dutch - a huge belated thanks for id'ing the WWI ammunition. Do either of you or anybody else know all the makers of the actual ammunition belts? It would be great to identify WWI 250 rd and 100 rd ammo belts. Mark

 

[thekees]

Mark, do you have pictures of your belt?

 

[Mark Finneran]

Sure - here are some images. Sorry for the delay.Anyone looking for original WWI German Maxim belts must be careful nowadays as there is a glut of Bulgarian and Russian maxim belts being passed off as Imperial German. I still seek the 100 rd pattern though!

 

[Mark Finneran]

Here are some 'interesting' images too.

 

[Mark Finneran]

more interesting images of belts

 

[timeout]

have a look at this site, I know the sale has closed, (last weekend) but you do see 13mm T Gewehr for sale on this site.

http://www.soldusa.com/rainworx/detail.asp?id=60415&pic=1#img

Paul.

 

[Dutch]

timeout I am sorry. I cannot see a 13mm T Gewehr cartridge for sale on this page.

What I see is a Patrone 318. Panzerbchse.


Rgds
Dutch

 

[timeout]

Yes you are right, uploaded the wrong page....but now have deleted the right page....that me all over..!....paul.

 

[Dronic69]

What is it that they never "smiled" in the old photos?

(Don't tell me they had little old ladies who use to perform manual facial recognition looking for "terrorists" back then?)

Maybe the photographer yelled out "Passport photo" rather than cheese???

Great photos Mark!

Cheers
Drew

 

[beihan62]

Dronic69,How about,,,,,OK Who far**d, yes,good photo,is that a wooden holster/stock for a Broomhandle Mauser seen on the leg of the man holding/feeding the belt,
fantastic clarity of the photo considering it is WW1,
Thanks,
Don,

 

[Mark Finneran]

Some great images of the Imperial German 250 rd ammo belt. Some had 3 spacers and others 5. They are increasing in value but I still need another 4!
Mark