.45 - 70

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looking to get the age of this bullet if anyone can help please....I understand the headstamp as UMC= Union Metallic Coy, Bridgeport C.T. USA.
S H=solid head .....thanks paul.45 70 001.JPG45 70 004.JPG

[glevum]

De Hek Military Cartridges Part 2 lists UMC as around 1911

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Thanks Glevum ...Do you think this is a commercial or military round?......paul

[glevum]

It was listed in a book about Military Cartridges, so I think it is probably a Military Cartridge.

[raymeketa]

That's a 45-70-500. It is pre-1912 when the headstamp would have changed to REM-UMC.

It is both a commercial and military cartridge. From the late 19th Century until the end of WW 1, the major suppliers of 45-70 ammunition for the US Government were contractors such as UMC, REM, WIN, etc.

Ray

[dano1917]

Looks like 45-70 for Springfield Trapdoor. The cartridge is sopt on similar, but the trapdoor is model 1873 but of course went through the shellacing of upgrades throughout

[raymeketa]

The Cal .45 Rifle and Carbine cartridges were developed for the "Trapdoor" in 1873 but they have been used in a wide variety of other rifles for the next 141 years. The 45-70, as it exists today, is not much different than it was when first loaded. It's made from more modern materials (brass), and uses a Boxer primer rather than the original Benet, but it's basically the same cartridge.

Here's a lineup of the original military loads (Frankford Arsenal), from 1873 to 1895.

Ray

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Thanks guys... need to look out for a partner for it now!.....paul.