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Unknown Submunition

jvollenberg

jvollenberg

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Any ideas what this item is? I have it as Czech and 44MM ...

I'm trying to find out the nomenclature and anything else I can dig up ...


Joe
 

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Joe,

Not at work at te moment will have a look tomorrow if no one else become first.
and yes it is czech.

Regards,

Chris
 
I have it as a Czeck model unknown and also as a Soviet 3O23 DPICM for 152mm - Jeff has some info on this one basically saying it was a ICM that was stopped and dropped from production. But I have a very grainy photo of it taken in Ukraine.
 
It looks like element for shell 3-O-23, but I don`t know what produced in Czech.
 
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Out of curiosity, do you have anything on the one for the 3-0-23? Would be nice to add to the conversation.

Joe
 
There are two types; the upper one in the picture has the same size as the DM1384, the lower one (ribbon missing) has the same size as the M42/M46.
I also made a ACAD drawing showing the way the submunitions function.
Regards, DJH
 

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so the DM 1384 is German I assume, I ahve yet to find it in any of my references, b ut am glad you put the sizes for the other all the pics I ahd did not have measurements. I forgot I had pzgr's cad drawings - nice work there
 
Hi Joe, I do not know any type designation. Would be nice to know.
Regards, DJH
 
They had no designation by size, only a name. The large one was for the 152mm, the small for 122mm rockets. Initially a joint project with the Sovs, then the Czech side gave up on it considering it too sensitive as designed. The Soviet side continued it. I got mine from an R&D area in the Czech Republic, from some leftover items they had. The developmental name is in my files, something typically Czech with lots of letters stuck together - Tvchornik or something similar. As mentioned it has been discussed before. I can look up my info possibly this weekend if nobody else finds it first.
 
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