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Last Bomb Identification for Tonight

peteblight

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Can someone ID the bomb in this picture please?

I have no additional information at this time.

Cheers

Pete

Unknown Bomb White Cross.jpg
 
My first idea is a FAB from WW II. During this period, russian made a great lot of different models.
Let me a little bit of time, I'll dug out my old docs about them !


Yoda
 
My first idea is a FAB from WW II. During this period, russian made a great lot of different models.
Let me a little bit of time, I'll dug out my old docs about them !
Yoda
On my opinion it doesn`t look like from USSR. I think it`s WW1 bomb or earlier of USSR (1920th years). And white very strange for russian and soviet ammo. it more looks like chemical from Germany of WW1, like marking on shells
 
Very difficult without dimensions !
The tail model is similar on these used by the russians between 1935-1940, but I don't find the model of bomb !
During this era, the russians used bombs forged or welded, sometimes was the nose part reinforced with ONE riveted collar, but I can't find a model with more as one collar rivets.
They have more modified our tails models as our bombs ! So, you can find the same bomb with different model of tail.
When the americans livered our own bombs on the russians, they adopted the box type of tail wich gived a better stability and took less place in the aircraft.

Sorry, actually I don't find more, but I'll continue to dug out archives !


Yoda
 
Very difficult without dimensions !
The tail model is similar on these used by the russians between 1935-1940, but I don't find the model of bomb !
During this era, the russians used bombs forged or welded, sometimes was the nose part reinforced with ONE riveted collar, but I can't find a model with more as one collar rivets.
They have more modified our tails models as our bombs ! So, you can find the same bomb with different model of tail.
When the americans livered our own bombs on the russians, they adopted the box type of tail wich gived a better stability and took less place in the aircraft.

Yoda
Daniel,
I don`t agree with it. It doesn`t look like from 1935-40th. In that time produced bombs of shells, but it has special body. On my opinion it`s exactly 1920th. Maybe and from USSR.
I know aboyt different tails, but don`t see any of them in this bomb. Like and don`t see that it`s from Russian empire/Earlier USSR
 
Ok - this is really interesting and gives a lead to an issue I tried for a long time to clarify. These (black painted) models at Lesany museum are bombs used by the Czech air forces in the thirties, as the model in the first post photo (identical to the right hand model in Lesany). It's true that the late thirties bombs were designated and produced by Skoda, with quite an advanced design. BUT these bombs are something else - they are very strongly similar to the Bofors/Tolvan 1930 series models, except apparently for the fuze! if you had the strange finding that among the Czech registered patents of this period you can find Tolfvan patent (and not among other countries patents banks) this can indicate either the acquisition of Tolvan bombs by the Czech AF or the license production by Skoda of Tolvan bombs models. This can fit the elusive vz30, vz31 (and even some vz34) Czech bombs for which I have been unable to find details except their dimensions:
Here a small table of this findings
Bomblength
(mm)
max.
diam.
(mm)
weight
(kg)
10 kg vz. 378159010,35
20 kg vz. 30 a 34102012019.95
50 kg vz. 31 a 34158618554.3
100 kg vz. 25 a 341691250102.4
200 kg vz. 342120340206.5
500 kg vz. 382505500510.5
20kg incendiary1.11712018
While the late thirties Skoda bombs data are as follow:
10kg67292-
20 kg724122-
50kg805190-
100kg1130255-
200kg1410330-

and some pics of the late thirties Skoda bombs
20kg-skoda11.jpg50kg vz34 P3140168 (123).jpg Czech bombs.jpg50 kg.jpg100 kg.jpg200 kg.jpg10kg.jpg20kg.jpgBeznzvu2-10b.jpg

Who can throw some light on this issue of Czech bombs? Any details will be highly welcome.
 
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Hi,
the three bombs under the wing of Avia B-534 are in the air museum Prague Kbely.
There are some more, not sur what is the plane.

Bob
 

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The bombs in Lesany exhibition (in 2009)
 

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Some bits from my computer, probably from the web.
Bob
 

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Very very Nice Bob!
Here's a period photograph of an Avia542 with 10kg bombs underwingAvia 524 with 10kg bombs.jpg and some closer pictures of what apperas to be the the museum model at the time of its restauration img00009.jpg img00005.jpg and these are bombs from a Letov S-328 Beznzvu2-10b.jpg
 
And some few things on ww1 Skoda bombs and other Czech produced Austro-Hungarian Bombs (the last poster includes also ww1 bombs of German origin)
Image5.jpgImage6.jpgImage7.jpgImage8.gifImage9.jpgSkoda_Bombs ww1.jpgb1.jpgRakousko-uherská 10 kg letecká puma.jpg20 Kg Skoda-Bombe, Österreich.jpgLetecke_pumy.jpgd4fece7755c5.jpg
 
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This is a picture of designer Bohdan Pantoflicek and ammo manufactured by Skoda during WW1.
Bob
 

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